HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)

Lady Gaga, Pop Music Samples, and New Music Picks (Pop Episode)

August 19, 2022 Two Worlds Entertainment Episode 68
HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)
Lady Gaga, Pop Music Samples, and New Music Picks (Pop Episode)
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In this weeks podcast, Jeff & Richie bring you an episode featuring:

A spotlight on Lady Gaga. Take a dive with Jeff & Richie as they discuss Lady Gaga's sixth studio album Chromatica and her current tour The Chromatica Ball

Jeff & Richie then move the discussion over to POP MUSIC SAMPLES a conversation on the beauty of a sample in POP MUSIC. (Follow the POP PLAYLIST here). Tracks discussed include:
Madonna - "Hung Up" / Abba - "Gimme!, Gimme!, Gimme!"
Destiny's Child - "Bootylicious" / Stevie Nicks - "Edge of Seventeen"
Jessica SImpson - "I Think Im In Love With You" / John Mellencamp - "Jack and Diane"
Beyoncé - "Summer Renaissance" / Donna Summer - "I Feel Love"
Nicki Minaj - "Super Freaky Girl" / Rick James - "Super Freak"
Lizzo - "Grrrls" / Beastie Boys - "Girls"

New Music of the week include: (Follow the NEW ARTIST PICKS PLAYLIST here)
Megan Thee Stallion - "Her"
Chappell Roan - "Femininomenon" 
Matty Marz - "Ugh!"
Katelyn Butcher - "Angel On My Shoulder"
Braden the Young - "Give It Time" 

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Richie [00:00:03] Half hour. 


Jeff [00:00:08] Hello and welcome to a half hour and entertainment podcast through two worlds entertainment. I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:00:13] And I'm Richie and we're here. 


Jeff [00:00:15] To bring you a casual conversation on the shows, films, concerts and music that we see listening to and observe throughout our careers. Today's conversation will feature current pop music hits from the second half of August, and you can follow along and listen to the music we are discussing by going to our Instagram and TikTok account at half our podcast and click the link in our bio and save and listen to the curated playlist because we spend so much time curating it for you. So go. So go follow it anyway. As always in our pop episodes today, we will start with our artists Spotlight and today we're going to be highlighting this artist called Lady Gaga. Some of you may know her and some of you may not, but if you don't, you live under a rock. Oh, I'm just kidding. So anyway, we are going to be talking about her sixth studio album, Chromatica, and we're also going to be talking about the Chromatica Ball because we just went into it recently and we're going to bring this album back because this was Lady Gaga's sixth studio album that she released during the pandemic. It was released on May 29th, 2020, and this brought Lady Gaga back to her dance pop roots after putting out Joanne and after starring in A Star Is Born, which also had the album that went with it. And she worked very closely with the producer Blood Pop and many other producers to execute this fun Chromatica album. So overall, I'll start with giving my thoughts first, unless you want to go know, I'll go first. I actually really liked where Gaga brought this album back to her dance pop roots. It was a really fun album, especially during the pandemic, to kind of just have something to listen to. With her singles like Stupid Love and Rain on Me, that featured Ariana Grande and some of the other songs too. They're very good, like Sour Candy and Alice. They're they're fun songs. But yeah, she was supposed to have this tour as well. Chromatica Ball. And now they finally brought it back. So I would say that this album was great and it was fun and I'm really excited to see what she's going to do next with the album. But what were your thoughts on this album? 


Richie [00:02:30] I really liked this album. I thought it was great that I love how every album is so different. I just really do this kind of brought it back to some older style and flair for her, some loud energy fun. I thought it was great releasing it during the pandemic. Sure, why not? I mean, I think a lot of people were not so like keep doing you. And I think that's great. The concert coming two years later, that is tough. And we can talk about the concert in a second. I mean, I know, I know we're just talking about the album. Yeah, I feel like it's just an album alone. It's a great album. It's not my favorite, you know, it's not her worst either. I think it's just a good, nice, awesome, great album and I think it's great. And I think that she'll continue to do music like this and hopefully she will continue moving forward like that. But I did like it. I really did. 


Jeff [00:03:21] Yeah, me too. I think overall it's like a Lady Gaga has this interesting career, I feel like, and we kind of like touch on her a little bit here and there, but like, she starts off in this pop space with releasing like just dance and poker face and love gaming and to go on to like do the fame monster and Born This Way and bad romance. And we always had these big like pop anthem hits from her to where she then went into doing A Star Is Born and Joanne and the two albums with Tony Bennett. So it's interesting that she kind of left Pop for a little bit and went into these other albums and now we're back to doing Chromatica. And I'm kind of wondering like, is it working fully for her as her brand? I don't know. Like, what do you think? 


Richie [00:04:05] Yeah, I think it does, because she just did a concert last year with Tony Bennett and then she did this and then and she did Joanne and like she has all these there's no formula for her. And that's great. And I say this all the time here. She doesn't need to follow a formula. She doesn't need to do something at a specific time just because someone's telling her she could wake up tomorrow and release a classical music album and people would like, I don't yeah, I don't I don't think there's anything wrong with what she's doing. I know I do really. Don't say that about a lot of artists because a lot of artists will say, Well, they shouldn't do this, they shouldn't do that. And at the end of the day, she's going to do whatever she wants to do. And you know that, you know. 


Jeff [00:04:46] Yeah. I think also what's interesting about this album is, like I said, it was released during the pandemic. Do you think that this album may have been ahead of its time? 


Richie [00:04:57] I'm wondering. So my concern with the timing of all this comes down to I personally think the album should have been released and the concert should have immediately followed. And because she couldn't do that, I wonder if it would have been better for her to hold on releasing the album til like this May and instantly doing the Chromatica ball. It would have been like the Chromatica album or the Chromatica ball and it would have flowed right into the next. Maybe it would have even worked if she was able to do it last summer, but two whole years between the release. To me, that's tough. I mean, she still has her fans. She still sold it out. She still has no problem selling the tickets and getting people excited for it. But it's hard to say, Oh, I did this, but you're not going to hear me do it live for two years. I obviously understand that was out of our control because of the pandemic, but I wonder if she could have just said, you know what, I'm going to wait a minute and release this a little closer to when the pandemic is ending or coming to some sort of a different part of the time of the world. And she could have been like, boom, here it is now, go dance. Yeah, because a lot of people couldn't go dance to this in summer of 2020. Right. Or enjoy it maybe the way she originally wanted to in a club setting of some kind. 


Jeff [00:06:05] Well, I think what was hard for a lot of these artists was she was already starting to release the the singles. So I believe Stupid Love had already been released and we were already just waiting for this album because the album was actually delayed. It was supposed to come out earlier in April and she had moved it because I think when we first shut down it was like, Oh, okay, I'm just going to delay my album. 


Richie [00:06:30] A couple of. But then it went a lot longer, right? 


Jeff [00:06:32] And I can't keep delaying it. This album is sitting here. It's ready to go. I've already at least released two singles. Do I just hold off, you know? And I think like a prime example for this is like Dua LIPA was around the same time as putting this her album out. So she was releasing singles, she put her album out and she just dropped the whole thing during the pandemic. And I think like, Oh, okay, everyone was dancing to it. They were listening to it all summer. And the same with Gaga. But I, you know, I think with Dua, Dua... just hopped on like when tour started coming back. She is like, All right, we're bringing the tour back now. I'm not going to wait until summer. And we saw her, what, in March. 


Richie [00:07:11] March in New York City. 


Jeff [00:07:13] So even then, March would have been while still two years from it. But I don't know. It didn't seem like we were waiting that long for. Yeah, because I just think we hadn't been back to concerts. 


Richie [00:07:26] But I also think it comes down to the venue and as large as Madison Square Garden is, it's still a little bit more intimate than MetLife, where we went to see the Chromatica ball and fun fact about the New York show last week at MetLife of the Chromatica Ball was that it was her largest ticketed audience she's ever performed for your whole life, and I think that's pretty amazing that we were kind of there for that. But when you do these huge arena stadium tours, you do lose intimacy. And going into just the specifics a little bit about this show. 


Jeff [00:08:02] Yeah, like what did you think of the show? Let's go there. What did you think of the show overall? Like overall lighting, chreo,costumes, all of it because this is a full concert for. Yeah, kind of like give your opinion. 


Richie [00:08:13] Yeah, it's like a production and in ways I really enjoyed it. 


Jeff [00:08:18] Yeah.


Richie [00:08:19] I didn't think it was perfect. Mm. I wouldn't say it was my favorite time. I've seen, I've seen her three times now. Was not my favorite. Wasn't my worst. I find that there is an intimacy that is missing in these large arenas. Right. And one or two songs she was in this like and spoilers just let you all know if you are waiting to see the Chromatica ball. She's still going a few more shows I think. So if you're listening to this, there's going to be some spoilers unless you are just not seeing it. She did want to do something like a cocoon thing, right? And I thought that was so artistic and wonderful of her. But like, how much better would that are than if we were seeing her do that on like Radio City or like somewhere a little smaller where you could have been closer up. So you're doing like these huge. It's just I do. I don't know, like, the stage seems small. The platform she played the piano on seems small. I just thought it could have been bigger elevated level of sound projection, lighting, pyrotechnics. There could have been a few more dancers up there. Like, I just seemed small. It almost seemed like they took it out of Madison Square Garden and didn't change anything and just plopped it into the arena. Right. And I thought, yeah. And I thought it was kind of like, well, when you change to me, I am I get to have a whole podcast about venue because how many times do we see a show where like that would have been so much better in a bigger venue or that would have been so much better in a smaller, intimate venue. And I always comes down to venue, a venue, and I think producers should really be smart about where they put shows and what venue. I always say that to Broadway or not, right? So for this, if you're going to do the big venues, I just think it could have been more elevated. 


Jeff [00:09:55] Well, I needed a venue eye for sure. 


Richie [00:09:57] It needed a venue eye. 


Jeff [00:09:58] A stadium eye because she's done stadiums before, but usually it's like the baseball stadium. So like we've seen her at Citi Field. Yeah. And I actually saw like other chromatica stops that they are those smaller venues. Yeah. So her doing MetLife is probably the biggest one and I don't know if fully the tour was designed for MetLife. 


Richie [00:10:19] Yeah, but the way I look at it is with the prices you're charging people, you elevate the set for that one night and you hire extra crew and you hire extra design to come in and bring a bigger stage in. If that's the venue, you can't just say, Oh, well, that was our biggest one, so we'll just kind of make this work. When you're charging the prices, they you know, I don't know how I that's so interesting to me, but. 


Jeff [00:10:39] I think did you understand? 


Richie [00:10:41] It was just gonna say, I feel like the direction was really cool. I loved the acts. I liked that. I like I liked the video in between. It gives you, like, a minute to take a breather. 


Jeff [00:10:50] I think there was a lot of vision there. Okay. Yeah, I think. But it wasn't fully executed. I really hate to say it, but it wasn't I, it wasn't fully executed. It really wasn't from direction. You have to be a we say this about Broadway too. You have to be directing a show and coming up with a show concept for every seat in that arena. 


Richie [00:11:10] Yeah, yeah, yeah. 


Jeff [00:11:11] Except for maybe the partial view because you know, you're still selling those seats, but people know what they're getting there. But I'm paying the money. I'm paying to sit in a specific seat that you want to see the full show. You should still be designing for me, right? And if you're not and you're only designing for the floor, then that's a little bit like a copout. Yeah, I think. And the lighting. So a lot of shows have been doing the lighting where they give you a bracelet. Yeah. And the songs. But why did only the floor get it? 


Richie [00:11:40] Well because when we saw Taylor Swift in that exact venue few years prior, we all got up every single every single one. 


Jeff [00:11:47] That whole stadium felt like you were in unison together because there was like a heartbeat of fans. 


Richie [00:11:54] I really felt like the floor and the first few rows of the first few sections were who she played to. And everyone else on the sides or upstairs or in the back was just almost like you would have thought we were never there, like it was a ceiling. So I didn't think she really played to the full arena. But yeah, the lighting would have been cooler like that. The fire was kind of cool. 


Jeff [00:12:13] No, the fire was fun. There was a lot of fun moments too. But also like the screens, like the dancers literally looked like little ants. 


Richie [00:12:23] And but there was only like, Oh, I could be wrong in this summer. Maybe like 15 of them. 16, maybe 20 at most. I think they could had 50 dancers in that show. I don't know why the band was also so hidden. It was like they were under that under cross, like bring the out like or get a motion stage that pulls them out for a minute or two while they're playing during the I don't know. I just thought it was to me there was this vibe of like, I'm going to just do the Chromatica ball to do the Chromatica ball so I can move on. 


Jeff [00:12:50] And I'm like, That might be perfectly fine, but still, at the same time, we people love this album. This album was supposed to be this whole like it was her renaissance really in the industry to come back and bring dance back, to bring house music and disco elements back to it, which that's another reason why I'm kind of like, Oh, it's a little bit ahead of the time because what is everyone doing now? Everyone's doing the disco and house movement and she put it out in 2020. 


Richie [00:13:16] Yeah, yeah. 


Jeff [00:13:17] So it's fun and do it. Also put it out in 2020 with her like future nostalgia, like disco album. All right. So, and I just the setlist doesn't really make sense. 


Richie [00:13:29] It was a little on the order of things. 


Jeff [00:13:31] And I actually think there was more times that there were interludes happening in between the acts and I felt like she was actually on the stage. Yeah, and that shouldn't be. Yeah, I really shouldn't. Those that could have it felt like those songs took maybe two or three songs that we could have also had in the set list that were just like not there and like to leave out almost all of Joanne, almost all of oArtPop, really. 


Richie [00:13:57] And those are for her more modern ones. And I, I do. I mean, I always say born this way. It's my favorite one. It's my favorite song. I thought there was an emotion attached to it this time. She spoke a little bit. She performed. I love how she starts the song acoustically and then it goes into the strong I. It's my favorite song of hers. I think it's great. I did not really understand the Hold My Hand encore. I understand it's her newest song for a movie, but it was the feeling I got was like, Hey, I just did this movie and let me just push the song because I just did that. I don't know. It didn't really come from a place of like, why did that have to be her last song, right? 


Jeff [00:14:31] And also to kind of touch on this, it's like when you think of a ball, you think you're going to go and you're going to dance and you're going to. But I felt like some of the people around us were sitting the whole time. Yeah. And I'm like, But where's the dancing? Where's the fun? And to to go in there and act four from shallow to always remember us this way. The edge of glory. These songs for. It was stripped down in a totally chilled out vibe of like wanting to dance and be in this ball ball culture. Is that what we're talking about right here? Because it seemed like it was missing. 


Richie [00:15:06] And it was also it's also something to be said about, like you just did Radio City with Tony Bennett. You just did a Las Vegas residency of jazz standards. So like you do small, intimate, really well. I've never seen those. I wanted to, but I know that she plays big jazz band her at a mike in a gown. Amazing. This didn't need half of it, did it? Like, I don't know what you're through. I did love the tribute to Tony Bennett. She's so emotionally attached to him, and I love that she still talks about him and that she did a song for him. Fine. I don't think we needed a lot of these slower songs. And I love when she sits at the piano and does a couple, Don't Get Me Wrong, but. 


Jeff [00:15:45] It's great and shows her talent. But I really think what Gaga is starting to do now is she is starting to realize that her fans are divided. There are the diehard O.G. Gaga fans that love her pop music, that want to dance, that want to have a good time. And now she has a new little bit of fan base here that people love. The stars born, they love shallow, they love these piano ballads. But like, they're going to clash and people are going to like half of it and people are going to not like, yeah, yeah. You know, I think that some fans have been giving the show mixed reviews. Many love the show and many, many kind of left the show feeling underwhelmed. I personally felt a little underwhelmed after the show, but it's the Chromatica ball, and this question is for everyone. But do you think that as fans our expectations for everything to be perfect or are a little too high? Questions for you too. 


Richie [00:16:34] I find that. You know, because I feel like you should know what you're going into. It's really okay for an artist to have different levels of expectations for different venues at different parts of their life. A huge outdoor arena is different than a couple thousand seat theater. Different than singing at a presidential inauguration. Different than you. You should just know. I think an audience should know what to expect based on the venue and the music they're about to listen to. It's that's what's brilliant about the music industry is that you can go see the most intimate of settings of music and the largest and just know as an audience what to expect. It's not just about the artist, it's about an audience member knowing what to expect. And that's where I kind of feel about expectations for things. 


Jeff [00:17:26] Yeah, but, you know, maybe something that might work better is to have no expectation going in. 


Richie [00:17:31] Sure. Well, that's part of that. What are your expectations? So are people disappointed because they were expecting what hurt a fly across? Like, what did they believe? And if they did, then maybe that is. But this would be the place to expect that. Not her and Tony Bennett. Right. Right. So. So there is a perfectly. It's perfectly okay to have some disappointment in that. But she's also getting older and she may not want to be doing all the crazy stuff she did 20 years ago. I don't know. Who knows? I'm you know, but I did still enjoy it. Oh, no. And I did on a much worse things in my life than that, you know. 


Jeff [00:18:04] So it was a lot of fun. I just think we're talking about the. 


Richie [00:18:06] Actual.


Jeff [00:18:06] Overall production of this show. 


Richie [00:18:09] Yeah. But it was great. We always loved Gaga and it's like we always say, like, when is she writing a Broadway musical? It's kind of I don't know if she really or like starring in a movie musical or something. Again, I don't know. 


Jeff [00:18:19] I think Little Shop of Horrors with. 


Richie [00:18:22] Yeah. Well, there was a rumor that she was going to do the movie remake. I don't know. Well, now she's going to do the Joker remake, which is going to be a musical. So there we go. So we're getting the musical out. 


Jeff [00:18:33] All right. Well, let's move over to genre area. We're going to change it up a little bit this week, but we're going to talk about pop music samples and we're going to talk about some old school samples and some new school samples. But just to give a little bit of like overview here, but sampling seems like it's something that will never go away. So let's highlight this because I think at times sampling is quite amazing. Me personally. For decades, artists have lifted different motifs, motifs and melodies from other artists. And I think where this gets interesting is if the artist can interpret the sound and sample and make it their own, then I think it's just something that's going to work. And I love hearing that personally. So I wanted to highlight some of my favorite classic samples out there right now. Let's hear it. Okay. And we'll see what you think about those samples and if it worked or not. But the big one is Madonna's hung up, which sampled Abba's gimme, gimme, gimme. What did you think about that? 


Richie [00:19:34] I love that because anything ABBA is like, Gimme, gimme, gimme is my favorite Abba Song. You know, I say that all the time, so totally works, obviously. 


Jeff [00:19:42] But I think it's like, well, but Madonna did. But that too was like, she really took that and made it her own. If you didn't know Abba, you would have thought, Oh, this is Madonna's sure song and it wasn't a cover, right? So to hear that, it was like, Oh, wow, this is really good. This is really, really good. Next one, Destiny's Child Bootylicious, which sampled Stevie Nicks, Edge of Seventeen. 


Richie [00:20:04] Yeah, this is good. And you're doing the older examples of this. And I like that because sampling is kind of more popular now, but it's kind of always been around a little. You ever wonder, like, who originally wanted to do that and how the rules got set for allowing it? I mean, because you got to be careful. You really got to be careful. That lawsuit could be looming at any moment where if you do something like that. 


Jeff [00:20:22] Well, if you're if you're doing a sample, you should know that you need to get the correct license and materials to do that. Actually, a lot of the sampling did stem from hip hop music and people, rappers and artists taking a certain track and then rapping over and sampling it in their songs. So what I think Destiny's Child did with Stevie Nicks Edge of Seventeen was the same style. Like they took a beat that was so strong and added it to their own song and flair, and it was like, Oh, wow, this is really this really worked on me as a kid. I didn't know Stevie Nicks at the time, right? When adjusted with Edge of Seventeen, I but I knew Destiny's Child and I knew that that was such a hook. And I would always hear my parents say, like, oh, they're using Stevie Nicks song. 


Richie [00:21:09] That's what it is. Right, right, right, right, right. 


Jeff [00:21:12] But and this actually leads into my next one, which is exactly the same. But Jessica Simpson had a song called I Think I'm In Love, and it sampled John Mellencamp's Jack and Diane. Yeah, another one. What did you think of that one?


Richie [00:21:25] That's great, too. I love Jack and Diane, you know? I mean, we all know Jack and Diane, but. 


Jeff [00:21:30] I always remember this from being a kid, and we would be my dad's car and. We'll be on the classic rock station and all of a sudden we would hear this start to that song and we would be like, Oh my God, it's Jessica Simpson. And John Mellencamp would start singing. And we were like nooooo. 


Richie [00:21:47] Yeah, you're going to get the best of both worlds. 


Jeff [00:21:49] And it was so funny because we were like, Oh wow, this song, she really took that song as well. And it was like, Oh, wow, this is perfect. Yeah. But yeah. 


Richie [00:21:58] Well, I have a few examples of some songs that are using sampling now in the modern day or so. 


Jeff [00:22:03] Coming to me with some. 


Richie [00:22:05] Things I do. So obviously we talked about the last and Beyonce a summer renaissance, right sampling Donna Summer I feel love anyone who's going to sample Donna Summer like. Yes, right. So I love that. What do you think of that one? 


Jeff [00:22:16] I love that one. 


Richie [00:22:17] That's one of my favorite songs in that whole album. 


Jeff [00:22:19] You know what was so cool about hearing that? And it was like that wow factor. You're listening to Renaissance and you get to that song and it's the slight touch of Donna Summer's I Feel Love. And you're like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. And you're like, Oh, wait, Summer Renaissance. Oh, we get it. It's like the Renaissance of Donna S ummer and her disco house. Music is so smart, of Beyonce so smart, really. Just taking that song and making it her own. 


Richie [00:22:46] They have Nicki Minaj super freaky girl sampling, Rick James super freak and everyone like loves that. I think it works and I. 


Jeff [00:22:51] Totally get ready obviously. 


Richie [00:22:53] And it's silly and fun and I love it. I just think that's great. Everyone knows that song. 


Jeff [00:22:56] It's what she did that with like Anaconda, how she sampled Sir Mix-A-Lot Baby Got Back. Yeah, as well. Yeah, but that one's fun that. I mean, that's a pretty obvious one. But they're actually thinking that that's going to debut at number oh and won't be the first time a female rapper has debuted at number one. 


Richie [00:23:16] Wow. Okay, we'll see. We'll see. 


Jeff [00:23:18] Say something. Maybe we'll bring that up again. 


Richie [00:23:20] And my last example being Lizzo Grrrls sampling Beastie Boys Girls, which is great. Yes. And that whole is always great. But that specific sampling of that is really great. 


Jeff [00:23:28] Yeah, she really that's another one where she took it and made it her own just rapping on that and that's a fun track. 


Richie [00:23:35] Yeah. And so sampling music, this question is for everyone that is listening and for you, Jeff, as well. Do you like sampling or do you hate it and why? 


Jeff [00:23:45] Okay. I personally love sampling. I love it when an artist can either take something that maybe was bad and make it good and reinterpret it. So either with that being a sampled cover or just sampling it throughout the song, but also just hearing something that you do love and hearing it again. It's like an automatic add for me, you know, it just works for me. But yeah. 


Richie [00:24:11] I would say I like it most of the time. I think when you sample something, it's kind of like cooking, like you can't use too much of an ingredient or too little. You have to like blend it in a little thing. I've tasted maybe that a little more. I think a really smart music producer can really sample the right way. And all these examples, like just taking a clip of a song and throwing it in, it doesn't get to stir the soup a little, mix it up, get it. That's why I kind of feel the sampling and most of the time it's great. 


Jeff [00:24:39] It really adds the flavor. Yeah, it adds a flavor to a song. But, you know, to me, I just I see it as artists are getting inspired. It is inspiring your song and they're inspired by it and they want to pay maybe in omage to that song and keep it a live. 


Richie [00:24:54] He also blended generations together. If you're choosing a song from the seventies or eighties to sample, you might be getting older. People from that generation think, Oh God, they love that. They just did that. Like they took a song I love in the song that sounds like a young song. And they, you know, brings people together literally on a dance floor, I think, at a wedding or whatever, you know. So I love it for sure. 


Jeff [00:25:12] I think what's interesting now that's happening with sampling, though, is it's moving into our territory of music that was coming out in the late eighties, the nineties and early 2000, and that's starting to get sampled again. So what our parents were saying is we're now them. 


Richie [00:25:27] Yeah, right. 


Jeff [00:25:28] So in the sixties and seventies and early eighties, we're getting sampled by artists in the nineties and early 2000. That's just now happening. 


Richie [00:25:34] Right, right. Exactly. 


Jeff [00:25:35] And we're starting to be like, oh, wait, that was our song. And it's this is like how history just repeats itself is so funny. 


Richie [00:25:42] Right, right, right. 


Jeff [00:25:44] But yeah, so nice up. 


Richie [00:25:47] Wrapping it up, almost out of time. 


Jeff [00:25:49] I'm almost out. 


Richie [00:25:49] Of moving on to our favorite end of our pop episode segments, which is Bop or Flop. 


Jeff [00:25:55] This is where I bring five songs to the table here and Richie will decide if it's a bop or a flop. And I have some fun facts. I have some fun facts about each artist, too. So we're going to start with Meghan thee Stallion. She just released her second studio album and the lead single well, the lead single from the album getting released is HER. What do you think? 


Richie [00:26:18] Love it, love her, love her and love her. I really like it and I really like I would totally see her live. I think she's great. She's just great. I don't know if she's doing a tour. 


Jeff [00:26:28] I don't know. Member That time we thought she was going to open for DUA LIPA. 


Richie [00:26:31] Yeah. And then she's didn't. Yeah, but. But I really like her. Her and her. 


Jeff [00:26:36] Bob. Yes, this is off their second studio album. It's her follow up to her 2020 debut album. And with this album, everyone, Megan wants you to she just wants to take you through so many different emotions. 


Richie [00:26:47] Yes.


Jeff [00:26:48] Great. Let's feel it. We have Chappell Roan in one of my favorite up and coming pop stars. But she has Femininomenon. 


Richie [00:26:55] Yeah, that's a great tongue twister there. 


Jeff [00:26:58] What do you think? 


Richie [00:26:58] I think she's growing on me, and I like this. And I would put it at Bop. I wouldn't say I would say Bop for all our other stuff personally. But this specific song, yes, it's got a great, cool vibe to it. So I would bop it. I would bop it. 


Jeff [00:27:10] Oh, fun fact she is actually performing tonight in New York City at Bowery Ballroom. I think that she's one to keep an eye out on in this pop industry as she recently opened for Olivia Rodrigo on some of her tour dates. And she's actually working with the same producer as Olivia Rodrigo Dan Nigro on her upcoming album. So let's see what happens. 


Richie [00:27:33] All right. 


Jeff [00:27:34] Great. We have newcomer here, Matty Marz with UGH!. What do you think? 


Richie [00:27:39] Love it. I was really loving it BOP for sure. I love the energy of the song. It goes somewhere. I always say the song really has to kind of go somewhere for me. 


Jeff [00:27:48] Love it. This is a fun song. I just want to know what people think about this. Matty says that UGH! Is about the constant struggle of wanting everything to work out as you see it, but knowing you ultimately have no control of the divine timing in which your blessings unfold. Toxic positivity, to be short. 


Richie [00:28:04] Yeah. Hmm. 


Jeff [00:28:06] That's a good song for you. 


Richie [00:28:09] I'm always trying to make everything so nice. Nice. 


Jeff [00:28:13] Okay. Another newcomer here, Katelyn Butcher angel on my shoulder. 


Richie [00:28:17] This is nice, I think. I don't know who this is, but I really like the song. It's got a good message to it. I would totally put it that bop. It's got this like angst to it, which I really like. Yeah, I hope I can hear more from her because I think that was a nice song. 


Jeff [00:28:29] That was fun. I like that one too. Katelyn described the song as The song means a lot to me. It's about trying to find the good in all, the bad, in the struggle of picking the good over the bad. In today's world, it makes sense. 


Richie [00:28:41] You know, on the shoulder, the real. 


Jeff [00:28:43] And then lastly, we have Braden the young. Give it time. 


Richie [00:28:46] This I really like. I love this. I'm giving all straight bobs the straight because I really thought it was great I love it. I would like go see this person perform this live. I think this is a great song. 


Jeff [00:28:58] Amazing.


Richie [00:29:00] I'm really into it. 


Jeff [00:29:00] This is the first time Richie's ever given five BOPS. 


Richie [00:29:03] I'm always honest with my friends. I'm never saying it's bop or flop for any old reason. I think these are great bops. All five of them go. Good choices this. 


Jeff [00:29:11] Week. I love it. The fun fact about Braden is this is off of Braden's debut album, Super. This album is full of his signature electronic R&B meets indie rock approach, and it was all recorded in his home in Portland. 


Richie [00:29:25] Oh, very cool. 


Jeff [00:29:26] So that's really cool and unique that artists today are just really getting to make stuff in their home. 


Richie [00:29:32] Love it!


Jeff [00:29:33] Well, thank you all for listening. We hope you enjoyed this podcast. So please subscribe to our podcast on Spotify and Apple Music and leave us a review if you love what you heard today. We also want you to join in on our conversations and engage with us. Head over to Instagram and TikTok @halfhourpodcast and comment on the latest posts about this podcast that you see. We would love to hear from you and we would also love for you to just start consuming all of our new content that we're putting out on TikTok. 


Richie [00:30:02] Tik Tok and Instagram Reels. Check it out. We always have new videos, new little mini series. We're starting Broadway and pop and the mash up of the two and separate Broadway one. Separate pop ones. Yeah, definitely. Check it out. And we have some our next episode of a Broadway episode. We'll find out what that is. 


Jeff [00:30:18] It's a good. 


Richie [00:30:19] One. It's a good one. 


Jeff [00:30:20] So until next time. I'm Jeff and I'm Richie signing off for now. 


Richie [00:30:24] Saying ta ta. 


Jeff [00:30:25] Bye.

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