HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)

Lizzo, Beyoncé, Broadway Pop, and New Music Picks! (Pop Episode)

August 05, 2022 Two Worlds Entertainment Episode 66
HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)
Lizzo, Beyoncé, Broadway Pop, and New Music Picks! (Pop Episode)
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In this weeks podcast, Jeff & Richie bring you an episode featuring:

A spotlight on Lizzo and Beyoncé. Take a dive with Jeff & Richie as they discuss their new releases Special by Lizzo and Renaissance by Beyoncé. 

Jeff & Richie then move the discussion over to BROADWAY POP, a conversation on the the current trends happening with pop music in the Broadway space. (Follow the POP PLAYLIST here). Tracks discussed include:
Dove Cameron - "Boyfriend"
Reneé Rapp - "In The Kitchen"
Cynthia Erivo - "Alive"

New Music of the week include: (Follow the NEW ARTIST PICKS PLAYLIST here)
Rina Sawayama - "Hold The Girl"
Jessie Ware - "Free Yourself"
Juli Chan - "Not A Crime" 
Hailee Steinfeld - "Coast" (feat. Anderson .Paak)
Betty Who - "She Can Dance" 

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Richie [00:00:03] Half hour. 


Jeff [00:00:08] Hello and welcome to Half Hour, an entertainment podcast through Two Worlds Entertainment. I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:00:13] And I'm Richie. 


Jeff [00:00:14] And we're here to bring you a casual conversation on the shows, films, concerts and music that we see, listen to and observe throughout our careers. Today's conversation will feature current pop music hits from the second half of July, and you can follow along and listen to the music we are discussing by going to our Instagram and TikTok accounts @halfhourpodcast and click the link in our bio to save. In listening to our curated playlists, we have a playlist for pop, we have a playlist for Broadway and we have a playlist for new artists. So go check those out and follow along. Today we're going to start with our spotlights on two artists actually this week, not just one, but we're going to do two and we're going to start with Miss Lizzo. Lizzo released her sophomore album, SPECIAL on July 15th. This was a highly anticipated full studio album from Lizzo. It's her sophomore follow up to her debut album CUZ I LOVE YOU. And this album was released by Nice Life and Atlantic Records, and it features the smash hit single "About Damn Time". So for me, I'll give my thoughts first. Okay, then I'm going to ask you. So I thought this was a great sophomore follow up for Lizzo. Personally, I thought this is the sound that she really kind of found in her first album with songs like "Juice" and "Truth Hurts" and "Boys", where she kind of just picked up where she left off, which I think is kind of a smart thing to do for artists when it's their second album. A lot of people get worried about their second album, thinking that it might be a flop, or it's like the sophomore slump they call it. And I really thought she brought what, you know, the current trends that are happening in the industry right now, where it's like house music and disco music really kind of blending. And I think she took a lot more of this disco pop flair and added it to the album. I think she you know, she stands up for being the big girl, being the body positive girl, and she puts a lot of heart, thought, and energy into the music that she's making. And I and I really liked it, you know? What did you think? 


Richie [00:02:21] I think she's really talented. I like this album a lot. I like most of the songs on it, too. I don't think this is any sort of sophomore slump. I think she's sticking with what works for her, which is some great lyrics, some great beats and really good energy and positive message. There's nothing that I find really downer or sad or emotional, and of course people can have emotional pop songs, but I feel like there's just, just like summer happiness after a pandemic, after a craziness in the world. It's nice to just have something that's high energy and fun, and I really did really enjoy it a lot. I think she's really talented and fun. I think she's probably greatlive, in person. 


Jeff [00:03:01] Yeah, it wasn't it wasn't a Sleep Sleeper album at all. (No) I guess it really if you think back to this album like we've listened to this now, what is it almost two weeks ago? (Yeah). Fully, We were really diving into it. Would you say that you would put this on regularly? 


Richie [00:03:18] I would. I mean, I would put some of the songs. I probably would have the songs and put them in a playlist, maybe not the whole album, but there's I mean,"About Damn Time" is really popular right now and yeah, TikTok and the dance trends and it's always on the radio and in the car.  


Jeff [00:03:32] Yeah, I think she got really lucky with a song like "About Damn Time", because when that song first came out, I really feel like it was verging on it being a flop song. Shockingly because I thought it was fun. I really enjoyed it and I loved it. And she just had this really great moment where a TikTok dance was created with it. There's a section of the song that it just works and it's stuck in your head all the time now. It's quite interesting how something so catchy could just work, but if you're not having the backing of the label or the backing of the fans on the song, it's very easy, I think, for someone to kind of just be squashed or be like, You know what? We're not really digging this song. So for for her to see that, for me to see like, okay, that song worked and now this album comes out, I'm very interested to see what she does next with the album. She's going to make more singles like Is she going to release more singles from the album? Is she going to put videos out for the album? Because something that I feel like pop stars really were doing a lot, you know, like let's think like ten years ago, probably because I think that's around like when Kesha and Katy Perry and Lady Gaga and a lot of I'm Britney Spears and a lot of these pop stars were and Taylor Swift even they were all like putting four or five six singles out from their albums. I remember 1989, five, six smash singles, Teenage Dream had like five, six smash singles, and the album were just like Summer. They were just these extraordinary things that were happening. And like, everyone just listened to it over and over and over again. And I'm wondering, like, are artists still doing that, you know? Do you? I feel like, okay, she might just, like, leave this album and, like, let it go.


Richie [00:05:13] I think that it's okay for every album to be different. I think that it's sometimes in the light of Carole King's TAPESTRY, everybody refers to Carole King's TAPESTRY as the album Carole King's TAPESTRY. Of course, everyone loves the single songs on there, but everyone puts it together like the album. How many rock bands did that, too? The album, and it's about the album. And then there's some people that do compilation albums or just release some singles. And so I think it's okay to have both. I think it's okay to have a fun thing like this, you know, where Lizzo just put a bunch of great fun songs together and some I like, some are okay. And I think, okay. Then you look at what we're going to talk about shortly is Beyonce saying how that was like a together album and it's more about the album than the individual song. I think it's okay to have both in the industry (totally), and I think it's okay for every album to be different. (Yeah), and we'll talk about that, but I think that's okay. 


Jeff [00:06:08] Totally. Some songs that were highlights for me on this album were "About Damn Time", "2 Be Loved", "Special" "Everybody's Gay" and "Birthday Girl". 


Richie [00:06:17] So I agree with all of those. The one I would add is the "I Love You B" because I love that. It's just like I love you, b. Yeah. And I just think that's so cool that that's just the lyric and the title on special is really great. I love about that time Everybody's Gay is great birthday girl. I was like, Oh, could this be like, you know? And everybody looks for a song to put on their insta story for someone's birthday or they want to play a song on someone's birthday, like in a restaurant, or there's a deejay at a party, and it's like, Happy birthday is the Stevie Wonder, one that everyone was like, Maybe this is the next birthday song that we can play when it's the kinks coming out. Or like when you're looking to post a photo with a video because this how many songs other than Happy Birthday to you, right? How many birthday or there's that Katy Perry birthday, right? So this. 


Jeff [00:07:07] But we are like tired of using all of those.


Richie [00:07:09] Yeah. Like there's well there's only two or three, right? So it's not like there's hundreds. So they're all right, Lizzo use the word birthday and yeah, that's a cool. 


Jeff [00:07:17] I mean, I've already used it for our friends, so. 


Richie [00:07:19] It's great. 


Jeff [00:07:20] It's very good. It's funny to do that for sure. One thing I wanted to talk to you and this is like kind of a question for everyone that kind of listens to our podcast too. So we want to know your feedback on this. But music reviewers are finding that this album verges on being a sell out album for Lizzo. Do you find that after an artist has a lot of success with a debut album, that the artist tends to either try to be a one trick pony or they try to sell out in the industry and buy sell it, meaning they're doing something that they probably normally wouldn't do in terms of music. 


Richie [00:07:53] So in my opinion, and this is just my opinion, I think if you make it on a specific sound or vibe or energy and that's how you like break in and make it. Making the second album similar, maybe even the third album similar is fine. For me, it's a little bit of a safe road, but I think it works because it's what people want. Gaga would be an example of that, even Taylor Swift would be an example of that. Her first couple of albums were country esque before she went like Heavy Pop. Gaga were heavy pop before she went on like the Jazz. Tony Bennett or the country. Joanne Right. I think after your second or third, explore new things, try new things, reinvent yourself. I always use a lot of times in the podcast the Madonna theory of like, she never tried new things. And so in a way someone can say, well, it's Madonna. Everything she does is amazing and it works and it's great. Some other people are like, Why won't Madonna do like a jazz sit at the piano with a stool? And a mic, She's 60 something years off. But some people are like, No, that's not her. But I think but everybody could have said that about Gaga, her singing with Tony Bennett. That's not her, but it was her. And in a way and so we don't really know an artists is different potential. When you're using Lizzo she's a classically trained flutist. She's been trained in music. She actually has a really wonderful voice, like, wouldn't it be cool to hear her do something different? But with that said, I think that keeping in the safer route with this second album, keeping it similar to the first was a smart choice for her to get her next album out. So I'm very torn on it, as you can hear. I do really see both sides of it. 


Jeff [00:09:31] It's an interesting thing because I always remember like being in school. One of my professors said that Americans don't like change when it comes to artists. So a lot of artists that try to read, you know, reinvent the wheel with their image and sound or whatever. Once an American gets confused, they discard the artist. Do you kind of feel like that could possibly happen? 


Richie [00:09:58] Like I said, yes and no. I don't think, you know, when you look at someone like Whitney Houston or Michael Jackson was doing, they were kind of staying the same, doing what their fans were. He loved it. Wouldn't it have been interesting to see them live longer and to see what they would have put out? Barbra Streisand does the same thing all the time and people just like that. So Cher, Celine Dion, like these people do the same thing and people like it. 


Jeff [00:10:20] But I think there's a difference between experimenting in the sound versus experimenting in your image. 


Richie [00:10:27] Oh, you're okay. 


Jeff [00:10:29] So someone I think Gaga is a perfect example when she experiments outside of who Lady Gaga is and she goes and does like Joanne and she goes and does like the Tony Bennett thing. Her monster fans don't really like it. 


Richie [00:10:43] Sure.


Jeff [00:10:44] And they're like, that's not what we signed up for. 


Richie [00:10:46] But maybe that's why she I don't want to say, throws them a bone, but does the chromatica and gives them what they want. To me, I had always. 


Jeff [00:10:54] She's throwing a bone. I think she's saying, oh, I'm not making money. 


Richie [00:10:58] But I also don't think she has any regrets. On doing film rolls, on doing the country music. On doing the Jazz. Also because she sang The Sound of Music tribute to Julie Andrews a few years ago. I think unless she walked on stage with Liza Minnelli and presented the Academy Award this woman is in touch. And I've always said this from the start. I think Lady Gaga is one of the smartest current pop performers, singers, artists, because she's always weaving her own web. Yeah, I want to be a bit surprised if the next album was a jazz album, and then I wouldn't be a bit surprised that the next album was the next Fame or Born This Way or something. Like, I, I just but it. 


Jeff [00:11:35] Will just be interesting to see where she stands in the hierarchy of pop stars. Like, is she at the top or is she kind of just sitting mediocre? 


Richie [00:11:44] I know I could never use the word mediocre her. It could never see that. 


Jeff [00:11:47] In terms of like scale, etc. Like Katy Perry's a perfect example. Katy Perry was high on the horse with Teenage Dream, the album and PRISM. Those are banger pop songs after banger pop songs. And then what happened? She released Witness and she released Smile and they did absolutely nothing. That's staying in a center. That's like if they're there, their music artistry is being underappreciated. Same way that Gaga could be underappreciated because it's not what the people want. 


Richie [00:12:17] But I also think that the more you put yourself out there and interviews and documentaries and you really get to see who the person is. When you see Taylor Swift in her documentary, when you see Lady Gaga and her documentary, you say to yourself, Oh, I really know this person. When I see Katy Perry as a judge on American Idol or in a TV commercial, I'm like, Okay, who is this person? (Yeah), but I look at Gaga saying like, she has no regrets and she does what she when you hear her talking about Tony Bennett, you feel like she is passionate about that man's career. Not, oh, I did this as a gimmick or I did this to kind of hold someone's hand for a little while while I get past. I totally think that she does everything genuinely. 


Jeff [00:12:59] Totally.


Richie [00:12:59] And bringing this back to Lizzo. I think Lizzo can really continue to do these fun things and make this sound, but try new things too, because like, well, she's got an amazing background and she should use some of this music knowledge that she has. 


Jeff [00:13:12] And I think that's what people are probably saying with this album, is they love the Lizzo image. They love what Lizzo brings to the table. They want to hear Lizzo now experiment in her sound. Don't give us something that's probably expected. Shock us, right? Just shock what we think we're going to get with something else. That's good, though, which I think leads into this next artist quite well is Beyonce. (Sure). You know, releasing this new album, Renaissance. It was released on July 29th. You know, she's a seasoned pop veteran. She's been in the game for how many years? 17. It's a lot. She brings us her seventh studio album and this is Act One. So I don't know if you knew this, but this oh, this. She's releasing a trilogy album. Okay. So this is just part one, which is really cool. I think this is going to lead into our second part of the conversation really well, too, because what does act one mean to you in in music and what she's bringing here? Let me just get through this. The album is released by Columbia Records and Parkwood Entertainment. And like I said, Beyonce has said that this is her first installment of a trilogy project. And this was conceived to reflect her state of mind during the pandemic. So right off the bat, I'll give my thoughts here. This totally. I mean, I guess it was an expected in a way for me because after she released Break My Soul, I was like, okay, we're getting a house disco pop album from Beyonce, which I was super excited for because I love house music. I love disco music. And the blend of both is just great. And I think this is like a great ode to some of the greats in the music industry. I mean, especially like Donna Summer and her single on one of the songs on here called Summer Renaissance. And when you really think about that, you're like, Oh, the summer renaissance. The renaissance of disco and house music put into an album and Beyonce's take on it. For me, it was just like, This is cool. 


Richie [00:15:08] It was very smart. And also the season of summer, but Donna Summer's last name, Summer, it was very smart, all of that. I thought it was very, very cool. Yes. I thought it was really, really one off. I love the whole album. I love the concept of it. I love the idea that it flows. This is what I was talking about earlier, an album that's almost looked like as a show. It has a beginning, a middle and an end, and it just flows and it doesn't stop. When you see a show other than an intermission, it doesn't stop. So that's how it's nice to see some albums. Like it's not like, Oh, the next song is vastly different, it flows, right? 


Jeff [00:15:38] And you can. I feel like while listening to this album and it's just like you're going through this and you can put the visual of what's going on here. She is telling a story through some of the lyrics here. And yeah, some people are going to be like, ugh I hate it because I hate samples and I hate people just not thinking outside of the box. But I love someone's take on a sample. I really love an artist that can look at something and say, I really like that beat or I really like that sound. I really like that lyric and I want to put that into a song and I'm going to create a new song from it. I really like when people use things as inspiration or she didn't just do a cover. She did a fully inspired album through samples. I think someone mentioned there was like eight different samples throughout this whole album, which is which just I mean, it's not the end of the world for me. I mean, people have been sampling forever, right? You know, I think for me, some of the big standout songs here were "Cozy" "Alien Superstar" "Cuff It", which those three songs, right. Are in a row. 


Richie [00:16:39] Yeah.


Jeff [00:16:40] And they blend so well. You don't even know that the song is changing. I also really loved "Pure Honey" and "Summer Renaissance", which really brings a lot of that Donna Summer just flair to those. 


Richie [00:16:52] Especially since Summer Renaissance actually samples and actual Donna Summer song. (Yeah) I do I do put "Break My Soul" on that list too because it is really catchy and is fun. I know it's very, very not honestly overplayed, but a little bit because it's been out the longest. But I do really, really love that song. I think it's really good. 


Jeff [00:17:06] I like "Break My Soul" sometimes I overlook the singles, I guess, because it's like, I love giving other songs on the album attention and like we were just talking about with Lizzo, I'm very curious to see what else she's going to do with this act, one of the Renaissance, because she's released no music videos, (right?) And there's no visual to this. So she's either going to give us something crazy at the end. Maybe she's going to give us a fully inspired Broadway show. 


Richie [00:17:34] Yeah. Well, you know, I always think when you talk about like the Who's Tommy and some of these big bands that made like or American Idiot, right. When you see these albums that were made into shows, it's definitely possible. It's definitely something that. 


Jeff [00:17:48] Could I mean, it could we don't know what she's going to or it's going to be like a fully in a visualized arena tour. (Yeah, yeah, yeah.) Who knows what it's going to be. 


Richie [00:17:56] But she always surprises. 


Jeff [00:17:57] And she's another one, too, who's really not dabbled in the Broadway space. 


Richie [00:18:00] Right!


Jeff [00:18:00] I think probably the closest thing was when she did the Disney film Black Is King putting music to a visual like that? That's probably it for another topic to discuss here. And also, we would love to know your opinions on this, but many reviewers and fans are finding that this album is going to flop for Beyonce. A Fall on the flop list. Does an artist like Beyoncé, though, really need to cater to what the reviewers and the fans are saying to make a successful pop album? 


Richie [00:18:30] No, no. There simply is no, in my opinion. Also, because she has fans no matter what, she could sing the alphabet and the fans would be like, Oh my God, she just sang the alphabet. Oh, my God. You know? And so, no, she's way up there. She's talented. And there is another person who was a in Dreamgirls playing a big role. 


Jeff [00:18:54] Oh, yes. 


Richie [00:18:55] She was the leading thing. Right. So she sang a classic Barbra Streisand ballad at the Kennedy Center Honors for Barbra Streisand. Like, this is a woman who, like Lady Gaga, also does things for Disney. Oh, she was Nala. Voice of Nala, I think was in The Lion King. Yeah, sure. Right. So she is really understanding of what she can do different besides just, you know, I think she's very smart. I think she's very smart. And I think I don't I can't see it flopping. 


Jeff [00:19:21] No, I mean, it's not going to it may flop compared to some of her other past albums and how successful they were. But. I think she has a strong enough fan base at this point in her career where the fans are just going to like whatever it is, which is fine. Yeah, I think that's fine when you get to that level. The Taylor Swift, the Beyonce's, the Rihanna's, whatever you put out. People are just going to love. 


Richie [00:19:42] Right. Which is cool. Yeah, very cool. 


Jeff [00:19:45] So moving over out of this, we're going to move to the conversation we've been talking about for a while. And this is called Broadway Pop. There's some. There are some ladies here that I want to talk about that are dabbling in the crossover from theater, or they're doing things in the theater space and they're making their way through the pop genre, which are Dove Cameron, Renee Rapp and Cynthia Erivo. They've all Cynthia Erivo has released an album that Cameron is releasing singles. Renee Rapps, releasing singles. What are you thinking about some of these songs that they're releasing? 


Richie [00:20:22] I like the songs. What I what I really love the most about what they're doing is their vocal quality. I come from a music background where to me it's all about tone, pitch, breathing, dynamic. It's how wonderful a vocal can sound. And these three girls have really nice vocal quality. I listen to them like, Oh, it's just really warm and rich and full. It's not thin, it's not breathy, it's not whiny. And so unfortunately, not all pop stars, of course, but some go into that category and some sing a little or rap more than sang or whatever these women are singing. And so it's nice, you know, with our business Two Worlds Entertainment, we always talk about the two worlds being pop and really coming together. And how long time ago a pop popular Broadway song was a pop song on the radio. Right. So why can't some of these people do Broadway, do TV, do movies, release music, and then come back to Broadway and then come back to releasing music? (Of course), it all intertwines. I don't think there should be a hard, high wall in between each, you know, category, and they should be intertwined. 


Jeff [00:21:27] Well, that's what I love about it. I love seeing them all create their own kind of sound in the pop space. And I totally agree with you. The vocal quality that they're bringing to their pop music, they're not, for lack of a better saying, dumbing down their vocals to fit a pop sound. They are creating their own pop sound in the space, which is great. They're putting themselves on the level of like an Adele who can really vocally put it out there, or like Kelly Clarkson, who vocally kills it in their pop stuff all the time. You know, so it's really nice seeing that. I think that we rarely see artists in the theater space these days crossing over and trying to have pop careers. Do you how do you think that they are doing in the industry right now and all kind of define that a little bit. If I didn't tell you these three were creating something in the pop space, would, you know. 


Richie [00:22:22] Maybe. And the reason why I say maybe is because I follow Broadwayworld and Playbill and some of the big theater outlets. They do sometimes post when this happens. I don't think they post when every Broadway person releases a single or an album. There's so many. There's actually a good amount of people that are trying to release their own stuff, right? 


Jeff [00:22:40] Yeah.


Richie [00:22:40] But some of the bigger names get through that. I wouldn't I don't know if I'm reading these names on like, you know, Billboard or on some of the other big places. But I and so I'm finding out through you, but I'm also finding out a little through my theater industry advertisements and marketing and articles and things like that. So yeah, yeah, they're very talented, I think, seeing these artists do this. But what I would love to see is go back and forth. (Yeah), I don't think there's anything wrong with that. Sometimes I. And I'll keep bringing up Barbra Streisand's til the day I die I guess, but I feel like she did Broadway, left Broadway, never came back. (Yeah). And I always say, like, why? Like Bette Midler came back. Like Hugh Jackman came back. And I always think even Sutton Foster went off into TV for all those years. I came back and to me Lea Michele is coming back. I think that's so smart. Doing something eight times a week live on stage is really hard and it keeps you on your toes. So like Rene Rapp, come on back. Dove Cameron I don't even know if Dove Cameron's even been on Broadway. She's done off-Broadway. 


Jeff [00:23:46] She did Off-Broadway. 


Richie [00:23:47] Cynthia Erivo We'd love to see you back on Broadway after Wicked. Like, come on back. 


Jeff [00:23:50] It'll be really interesting to see if someone like Cynthia Erivo goes back because she her roots are so Broadway. I mean, Doug Cameron we haven't seen on the Broadway stage, but she was doing off-Broadway and she's now doing film and TV. I mean, she does The Descendants, I believe, and she was doing Schmigadoon. So it'll be interesting to see if she ever kind of tries to originate a role on Broadway. 


Richie [00:24:10] With Ariana Debose. (Yeah), come on back when we can. And obviously the TV contract, the movie contract of course. But when you get that six month gap, come on back, get your agents and you can do a play, even do a six week, eight week, twelve week run of something, you know. 


Jeff [00:24:24] And even Renee Rapp, I mean, she's really starting to cross over into the other things she does TV, she's on that show, the sex lives of college girls. And she's putting this pop music out, which I think is great. I actually did get the chance to see her in Mean Girls before it closed, so that was fun and exciting. So I'm really excited to see where they go. Yeah. I also think that more and more musicals are creating pop scores and they're using pop music in their or they're using pop music in their scores. So shows like Six, &Juliet, Moulin Rouge. These are all fully recognized pop scores here. How do you think that pop scores are helping the Broadway industry? 


Richie [00:25:03] Well, if you're looking at & Juliet and Moulin Rouge really helps because you're using songs that are recognizable, that are well-known. Six Is an original pop score, different? So I would love to see more of that because that's really artistic and really original. I'm not & Juliet, Moulin Rouge is not. I'm just saying I think we could be seeing both. Nothing wrong with that. I also do love an original orchestral score. I also love an original jazz score, which is why I think when we hear like Some Like it Hot coming to Broadway, being an original jazz score, it doesn't have to be rock pop all the time like Beetlejuice, which is great, you know, but. So I'm kind of for it all. I always say this I think everything belongs on Broadway. So like bring us all of it. 


Jeff [00:25:41] It's cool seeing a lot more of these pop scores happening because we have had the more rock musical scores for a while. So now to see a recognized pop sound in the industry, it's going to be cool for sure. You know, especially for me. I love Pop. 


Richie [00:25:54] Yeah, of course. Thats the two worlds. 


Jeff [00:25:57] And lastly, in the pop Broadway pop spot, we have pop stars writing songs for or writing music for musicals. We have people like artists like Sarah Berallis who one is performing right now and Into the Woods, but also and she performed in Waitress, but also wrote the music, the waitress. So that's cool. And then we have Ingrid Michaelson right now writing performed and. 


Richie [00:26:19] She was in Natasha Pierre.


Jeff [00:26:20]  And now writing music for The Notebook, which we have heard that notebook song. 


Richie [00:26:24] And they released the song that she sang, which is wonderful. She has a wonderful voice and I think it was written so beautifully, and that's going to be just stunning. I'm going to cry my eyes out on that. But yeah, I think it's nice to see strong women writing this. I'm not saying that, you know, Elton John is an example of a pop person who wrote a lot of Broadway scores. We've seen that. Yes. Get some of these pop people in front of the table and behind the table starring and stuff, but also writing for it. Yeah, this is what Broadway is about. Broadway's got to stay on it. It's 2022. You know, that's why I really say, well, Taylor Swift ever write an original Broadway show. And, you know, these people are talented. Get them in. Now, obviously, it's different. You have to weave a story into it and you have to have the right song at the right time. And it's something have to be found. Some have to be slow, some have to be dance breaks. And to you know, I get that that's tough. And that's why sometimes takes what did it take Lin-Manuel ten years to write Hamilton maybe something like that. So I get it. You know, it's it's a process, but I love it. I love Sara Berallis. I love Ingrid Michaelson. I can't wait to see hopefully they do more in this space too. 


Jeff [00:27:27] Totally well this this is the start of our Broadway and Pop collab here where we're going to start putting out what the Broadway and Pop sister songs are.  


Richie [00:27:37] Right. We got it to work on. And especially since this upcoming Broadway season has a lot of that K-Pop coming and you know & Julia some of these crossover stories styles. 


Jeff [00:27:47] Yeah. So look out for that little fun thing that we're going to start doing on social media. 


Richie [00:27:51] Yes.


Jeff [00:27:52] Okay. We're coming to that time in our podcast episode because this is flying. 


Richie [00:27:57] Flew by it. as they always do. 


Jeff [00:27:58] Wow, we're going to do BOP or FLOP. We have five songs here that I'm going to ask Richie what he thought of the five songs. And the first one we're going to start with is Rina Sawayama "Hold the Girl". 


Richie [00:28:13] BOP, Love It. So anthemy, Love the key change. (That key change) Love when that comes in. Gaga also Vibe, Gaga vibes. She's just giving me about a Gaga vibe. Okay, I totally could see Gaga doing this song, but I love that Rina did and it's amazing. 


Jeff [00:28:29] It's so good. When I heard that key change, I was like, Love that girl. 


Richie [00:28:33] Huge bop. 


Jeff [00:28:34] Girl. I'm going to see this live and I'm going to scream. Yes. So we have Hailee Steinfeld featuring Anderson .Paak. "Coast". 


Richie [00:28:43] Love it. BOP fun. Summer bop. Love the Anderson feature. Yeah, that was my favorite part of the song. It really I was like, okay. 


Jeff [00:28:50] It really just amplifies it! 


Richie [00:28:51] It could sometimes have features like, okay, we're steering off the path for a minute and a half here now. But no, like, I thought it was, like, so great and I loved her. It's super cool. I love. 


Jeff [00:29:00] It. And this is interesting for her because this is a she's staying true to who she is, but also it's a new sound for her in a way, you know, you know her song I Love Me. and I Love Myself. Yes. So to see this, I'm like, oh, she's taking a little bit of a risk here, but she's staying true to her pop sound. 


Richie [00:29:17] For sure. For sure!


Jeff [00:29:19] This is a newcomer, Juli Chan, and her song "Not a Crime". 


Richie [00:29:23] On the fence about this. I can't really put it, BOP. I wouldn't put it FLOP either. I just. I think it just seems a little flat from you. The song didn't go anywhere. I think I'd love to hear more of her. 


Jeff [00:29:33] I definitely want to hear more from her. I think that this leans BOP for me. Okay. Especially for a newcomer in the industry trying to make her mark in the music video. I did see it was like, okay, she's going here. 


Richie [00:29:43] Yeah!


Jeff [00:29:45] Next. Jessie Ware "Free Yourself".


Richie [00:29:47] Obsessed. Bop! Love It! I feel like I need to go to Studio 54. I need to dance my little tail feather to this disco house music. Such a hit. 


Jeff [00:29:57] And she's. She's really on the mark right now, too, with the getting that disco house influence into the song. It's just like on the money. This better not flop. Y'all know this song, and she needs to be appreciated. More about my opinion. Then lastly, we have Betty Who "She Can Dance". 


Richie [00:30:16] I like this. It's it's nice. I like that. It's more of a personal story. She's got a nice I always like what she does. She always does something just a little different from the mainstream. And I like that. 


Jeff [00:30:25] Yeah, she's another one. I totally think she's underappreciated. 


Richie [00:30:28] Yes, totally unappreciated. And she should be doing more. Well, she does a lot, but I feel like she can always keep doing. 


Jeff [00:30:34] Yeah, she just hasn't really had that one crossover. Like, I mean, she had like. Somebody Loves You. Yeah. That went viral when flash mobs were all over the scene. 


Richie [00:30:44] Right, right. And that was good for her. 


Jeff [00:30:46] Yeah. Other than that, I was like, I really would love to see her. Really? People dive into her catalog and really just be a Betty Who fan, be part of the who crew. Anyway... 


Richie [00:30:57] Oh, wow. Out of time already. 


Jeff [00:31:00] We're really out of time today. 


Richie [00:31:01] Yeah.


Jeff [00:31:03] So that was fun. 


Richie [00:31:04] That was fun. This is great. Oh, great. Lot of great music this summer. Do we get more in August? More pop? Some of this cool stuff? Yeah, September. There's some things coming to the concerts. 


Jeff [00:31:14] Let us know some of the artists and music that you're listening to and in on our social media pages because we want to know and maybe we'll talk about it. So anyway, thank you all for listening. We hope you enjoyed this podcast. Please subscribe to our podcast at Spotify and Apple Apple Music and leave us a review if you love what you heard today, but only if you loved it. And we also want you to join our conversation and engage with us. Head over to our Instagram and TikTok at @halfhourpodcast and can and comment on the latest post about this podcast episode. We'd love to hear from you. Right Richard. 


Richie [00:31:47] That's it. We have more coming up. More pop. More Broadway is coming up. So every week, Fridays at 3 p.m. Eastern Time. 


Jeff [00:31:55] So until next time, I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:31:56] I'm Richie


Jeff [00:31:58] Signing off. 


Richie [00:31:58] Ta Ta. 


Jeff [00:31:58] Bye

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