HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)

Into The Woods (Broadway Episode)

July 15, 2022 Two Worlds Entertainment Episode 64
HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)
Into The Woods (Broadway Episode)
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In this weeks episode, we bring you the New York City Center ENCORES! Production of Into The Woods. Join Jeff & Richie as they discuss in detail their thoughts on the overall production, the star studded cast, and how important this show is still today.

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Richie [00:00:03] Half Hour! Hello and welcome to Half Hour, an entertainment podcast through Two Worlds Entertainment. I'm Richie. 


Jeff [00:00:14] And I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:00:15] And were here to bring you all the casual conversations on the shows, concerts, music, events, movies, all the things we see and observe throughout our careers. We are going to feature some spoilers here on this episode, so please make sure you are viewing or watching what we have, what we are talking about here today. Before moving forward with this podcast episode, you have been warned. Today we're talking about the Broadway, the 2022 Broadway revival of Into the Woods at the St James Theater on Broadway in New York City. This is the New York City Center Encores production that was in the Spring, that was at City Center Encores that transferred to Broadway and is playing a limited run this Summer at the St James Theater on Broadway. Into the Woods has music and lyrics by Stephen Sondheim, a book by James Lapine. It is choreographed by Lorin Latarro, featuring the Encores Orchestra with music director Rob Berman, and it is directed by Lear DeBessonet. So, wow, what a trip into this show. We went recently. Tons of stars in the show to some from pop music stars to Broadway names and everything in between, and just a lovely full orchestra and an amazing, amazing production. What are your overall thoughts on this production of Into the Woods? 


Jeff [00:01:28] And we begin with me, as always, overall thoughts. I actually jotted down a little bit of what it was because I wanted to get it out through right way ahead of just rambling. But my overall thoughts on Into the Woods. I actually loved this production, number one, and I think that this might actually be one of my favorite Stephen Sondheim shows. Where I think Magic really happens in this show is that it's just meant to be imaginative. And for me, in this production, seeing a set that's so minimal and adding a star studded cast like this, really lets my imagination not have to figure out who the characters are at first, just let the character speak for themselves. And let me imagine what this beautiful production is supposed to look like. And I think that's what this really did for me. 


Richie [00:02:20] For sure. I think that there was something about, you know, diving into some of the design on this and just the overall. It is an amazing score. It's an amazing story. Every lyric tells a different story. I'm blown away by like where this show can take you. It's a brilliant idea what James Lapine and Stephen Sondheim did was to sit down and say, how do we take these fairy tales? And like mash them all together in the woods, and making it into the woods, just makes sense because so many very tells us that in the woods. So, of course, that kind of makes sense to bring them all together there. We know there's a famous movie, multiple Broadway revivals. This is the third time it's been on Broadway, the original. And there was a revival. And this is the second revival. I will be honest. At first when I saw it, I was like and the curtain rose and I was, Oh, okay, there's the orchestra's on stage, which I love that. I do like that in a lot of shows, and I like that for this one because I think the orchestra is a character. It's a part of the scenery. The music is sung through. They are such a part of the show. Why hide them in the show? 


Jeff [00:03:17] In this show it really, it makes sense to have the orchestra on the stage. 


Richie [00:03:20] On the stage. I thought I saw the trees, I saw the steps. I was like, Oh, this is pretty bare bones of a set for a Broadway show. I'm like, okay. But it just kind of totally didn't matter as the show went on, because, like you said, you were really forced to use your imagination in so many ways. The puppet of Milky White the puppet of the Giant's feet. I actually can envision the way the direction the Giant was facing, what they were doing with the heel of the Giants wife and all that. I think it was really, really impressive just from a design element, the trees being there, the trees peeling in the second act, the birds coming in as puppets. It was just really, really smart. 


Jeff [00:03:53] Well, for me, this is also I've never seen a city center production. Have, you? 


Richie [00:03:58] Know, actually I have not. That's on the list because there's some actually good ones announced for the next season. So yeah, we'll have to head over there...


Jeff [00:04:04] We almost were very close to go and see. 


Richie [00:04:06] There was a couple.  


Jeff [00:04:06] Thoroughly modern Millie.  


Richie [00:04:08] Yes! We we're supposed to see that we had tickets to that. Yeah. Yeah. 


Jeff [00:04:11] Pandemic.


Richie [00:04:12] And just you all know if you don't know it, City Center, of course, does. They take old shows and they bring them back to the forefront in a limited run, basically on Broadway. But it's not a concert style. 


Jeff [00:04:22] Right.


Richie [00:04:22] So sometimes they're holding scripts still limited, almost no scenery. Orchestras usually on stage, and they're holding their script sometimes. And so you've try to find shows that haven't been done in a while or have been forgotten or both. So it's nice to see like Into the Woods brought back in that way and then transfer to Broadway from there. 


Jeff [00:04:38] Right. So obviously I like I get what city center does and for me what I really liked here was that they kind of kept true to what they do and brought it to a Broadway stage. Right. I like I don't really know, at least not in my lifetime. I don't think I've really seen a city center show transfer to the Broadway stage. 


Richie [00:04:56] Well, fun fact. The Chicago Revival on Broadway now was a city center show that was brought and it has not left. That is I and please correct me out there if I'm wrong, but I'm almost positive that was started at City Center and stayed. Some of them do transfer to Broadway in limited runs. This is not the first time we've seen that. Chicago was just one that never left after that one. But yes, there have been times where city center has come. 


Jeff [00:05:20] Really I'm saying like in my lifetime. 


Richie [00:05:22] Sure. Sure. 


Jeff [00:05:23] Chicago was 1997, right? I was a child.


Richie [00:05:25] Yes.


Jeff [00:05:26] But I'm saying now where I'm seeing something like this, I always hear about the city center shows and now seeing this one come and really getting to have that experience but have it on a Broadway stage. I always said, you know, they stayed true to what they put on the stage and then they just enhanced it a little bit more because we've seen footage of what they did with this production at City Center and now how they kind of enhance it a little bit for Broadway. 


Richie [00:05:52] And some things were changed in casting as well. It looks like about two thirds of the cast came with it. We have Brian D'Arcy James is playing the Baker, but it was Neil Patrick Harris, Phillipa Soo is playing, Cinderella was Danny Benson and Patina Miller is now playing the witch. It was Heather Hadley. So they're all Broadway names. They're all amazingly talented talking about this cast. 


Jeff [00:06:12] Yeah, let's just let's go to the. 


Richie [00:06:13] Cast because it's all about them. 


Jeff [00:06:15] Let's just go to this cast. 


Richie [00:06:16] Of course, the design is amazing and the costumes and everything, too. But we'll get to some of that with the cast talk here. What is your thoughts on just this cast in general and any one specific that stood out to you? 


Jeff [00:06:25] I mean, they all stood out, but what I personally loved about this cast, they really got the comedy of this show down to a tee. Sometimes this show can be done, and the comedy is completely just like stripped away, forgotten about. But this, the comedic timing of these actors was just on point. 


Richie [00:06:44] Yeah.


Jeff [00:06:45] And, you know, right off the bat with you have Brian D'Arcy James playing the baker and you have Sara Bareilles playing the baker's wife. Their chemistry was just amazing. 


Richie [00:06:55] Like amazing and they both were. And we've seen I've never seen Sara Bareilles actually in anything. 


Jeff [00:06:59] I've actually never seen her live period. 


Richie [00:07:01] And I thought she didn't have they all had so well their chemistry was amazing really really. 


Jeff [00:07:06] Was. You know Neil Patrick Harris is great, but there was just something like I don't know if I would have really preferred to see him in this role because I love Brian so much. I love what he does. I love his timing is just perfect. 


Richie [00:07:21] Yeah.


Jeff [00:07:22] I like how he's sings. 


Richie [00:07:23] Yeah.


Jeff [00:07:24] And just being able to see Sara Bareilles, it's like I didn't know at first when she started. I'm like, okay, we're going to go there. But then I started really seeing her unleash into the baker's wife and it's like everyone can kind of have their own opinion on like, what does she want in life? Who is she? And I just think when she got to her moment in the show where she's singing Moments in the Woods, I was like this. This! She hit every note. and it was so emotional.


Richie [00:07:50] Yeah. And then her death right after that was so tragic. To me, I've always found the baker's life to be my favorite character in this whole show. I love her arc, I love her journey. I love her songs, i love her lines and her comedy. She was really impressive. I was very impressed with what she did with the role. 


Jeff [00:08:10] And she makes you feel that because most people in this world, I feel like are either they feel what she feels, you know, not being able to do something, being called, no, you can't do this, but wanting to wanting to yearn for that like lust of something else or just helping, you know, but also like stumbling along the way, making the mistakes along the way. And I really think she got there. And that's why I think, like when we get to her death in the show, it's so powerful because you're like, oh, you were rooting for her. 


Richie [00:08:39] Yeah.


Jeff [00:08:40] We're rooting for you. 


Richie [00:08:41] Right, right, right, right. 


Jeff [00:08:42] And then it's like, oh, okay. You know. What, I guess this is a question because I always know that you say that she's your favorite character in the show, but what do you really feel like, like the baker's wife represents in this show? 


Richie [00:08:57] I think the Baker Baker's wife represents like most people, it's a woman who is, first of all, starts the show very different than the way she handles the show. Right. She's not listened to from her husband. She's not even invited into the woods with him. She's trying to get this baby. They're trying to break the curse. Then they get to the second act and she has an affair and makes some choices. And she has to say, Well, actually, maybe I shouldn't have done that, but I learned now from it. Everything these characters are dealing with in the woods, they're learning from Little Red, the Witch. They're all learning, which is our journey through life and how we're learning and how. And I also learned to stray away from the Bakers by for a second and just talk about these characters as a whole. I always think it's amazing how Act One, they're all like individually doing something. 


Jeff [00:09:41] Yeah.


Richie [00:09:42] And then you get to act two and they all have to come together to defeat the one evil. Very similar to how we all had to come together after 911. We all had to come together in a pandemic. We all had to come together in serious situations, regardless of what our individual journeys are. That's where I think James Lapine and Stephen Sondheim's brilliance comes through. And what do they do? It's not perfect. They want to throw Jack to the giant. And one person is like, No, but it's your fault. It's your fault, but it's your fault. And they're all blaming each other. And it's like, here's society. And who gets who gets killed by someone else, not the Giant. When we learned from Jack's mother and then who just gets killed instantly by the Giant without a no heads up. So it's like it's just amazing to see that journey of the Act two and two gets so dark and gets really sad, right? You end act one. Do you think the show could be over? You know, the kids version of this is actually just act one because it's enough there for the kids, I guess. But, you know, you learn as an adult. Really. Yeah. Or that too. 


Jeff [00:10:45] I feel like. Yeah, there's so much I want to stay into like the plot of this. 


Richie [00:10:50] The plot's a lot. There's a lot going on. I mean, we can keep going through characters too, because that would help us, because I also feel like... . 


Jeff [00:10:56] Well let's go through them a little bit quick and then I feel like we're just going to end up talking about the whole story. I feel like we're just going to end up being like because this is really a time that I finally got to really dive into this story. So anyway, we'll get to there. Cinderella, Phillipa Soo. 


Richie [00:11:11] Loved it. Very impressed. 


Jeff [00:11:13] For me. Normally, most people probably know I'm not a huge Phillipa Soo fan. 


Richie [00:11:17] Okay.


Jeff [00:11:17] But it she made me a fan of her. 


Richie [00:11:21] Yeah, she was wonderful. 


Jeff [00:11:22] So, Phillipa Soo. I'm a fan. Yeah. Before I wasn't. Now I am. But she was really great. Another one. You know, when you see such seasoned actors up on a stage and they just really know how to act, we talk about this all the time. When you get people that know how to act, and I think every single one of these actors really, really, really know how to act and they also really know how to sing, which is great. And she was she was also bringing comedy at times, and she was bringing a different side to who she is as an actor, where she wasn't in many of her previous roles. This was really nice to see. Then we have Jack and we have Jack's mother. Yeah, they call Thompson and Aymee Garcia. 


Richie [00:12:05] Yeah. Great! 


Jeff [00:12:06] Great. They had great chemistry together. 


Richie [00:12:08] I thought they were wonderful and I thought they. They're very interesting characters in the show, too. They all almsot want toblame everything in Jack. And then the mother is so hysterical, they really kill her. Right? And sad, right? Yeah. 


Jeff [00:12:19] And okay. The which. 


Richie [00:12:21] Patina miller realness. Noww I've seen Patina in a few things. 


Jeff [00:12:23] I have never seen Patina Miller and once again fan. 


Richie [00:12:30] Fan! yeah, she's amazing. She finds the comedy in it. She's belting. We haven't seen her on Broadway in almost ten years. She won a Tony almost ten years ago in Pippin, and this is like an awaited return for her. Yeah, I have heard that Heather Headley in the city center was amazing too, but Patina is just amazing.


Jeff [00:12:47] Yeah, and I love what she brought to the witch. Because you have the witch making all of the comedy in the beginning. But the witch, had her, the witch has her own agenda. 


Richie [00:12:56] Oh, yeah. She's trying to shield Rapunzel from the world. 


Jeff [00:12:59] She's trying to... 


Richie [00:13:01] Tryont to protect her, but she's also scared of herself. 


Jeff [00:13:03] She's scared of herself, but she wants her beauty back. And there's only one way to get and it's to use other people to get. 


Richie [00:13:10] And they all say that in the show. Who are you? Who do you need in the woods and meet in the woods? And who do you to avoid to get what you want? Everyone has to get what they want. 


Jeff [00:13:18] And so and when she gets what she wants and she has her transformation, I'm sorry. She is stunning. 


Richie [00:13:23] Yeah, she is gorgeous. 


Jeff [00:13:25] I would have liked to see a transformation happen. 


Richie [00:13:27] I think the transformation on stage would have been doable. I mean, I've seen. Oh, gosh, anywhere from community theaters, high school theaters to theme park shows. Everything in between two live transformations right in front of me on stage. I just don't understand why that was like a walk off stage change and walk back on momentum. Yeah, it adds to the concert esque feel of the piece. 


Jeff [00:13:47] staying true to it. I mean, you know, we had Gavin Creel and Joshua Henry play The Princes. 


Richie [00:13:52] Hilarious.


Richie [00:13:53] And Gavin Creel as the wolf as well. And just great like so great Agony is such a crowd pleaser. Everyone loves that. It's just great. He's got a repriese in the second act of it. 


Jeff [00:14:04] If there's one thing I remember from the movie, it's that. 


Richie [00:14:06] Yeah, yeah, yeah. And they were wonderful. They really, really were. I have to say that I was blown away by Julie Lester as a little red. I've seen her in this Disney's High School Musical, the musical, the series show. She's great on that and funny and wonderful. She is like every line, every move. Hilarious, I was blown away. I was like, Please stay on Broadway. 


Jeff [00:14:31] She first. She was wonderful to be onstage. Yeah. Like fangirl over her too. She was really nailing it and she's on the stage. This is a her Broadway debut. 


Richie [00:14:41] Yeah. Yeah. She would never know. Do you think she's been doing shows like, you know, every week. 


Jeff [00:14:46] Commanding the stage. 


Richie [00:14:47] Right.


Jeff [00:14:47] Just as well as everyone else up on that stage. And she stood out. Yeah. For all the right reasons. 


Richie [00:14:54] Yes. Yeah. 


Jeff [00:14:54] And she, her comedic timing, what she brought to little red, sometimes little red could be like, you know, that arrogant little girl. Yeah, yeah. But it's like, no, it was funny. 


Richie [00:15:04] Yeah, it was funny. It was really. Well, she was really great. In addition to some of the other characters, like Annie Golden up there, who's amazing playing a lot of small roles, the Giants wife voice and the Cinderella's mother and the tree and all those things. I, I, there's something about Nancy Opel to me. I've seen her at a few things. Now, what I saw, she was playing Cinderella's stepmother. I was like, yes, that is it was like, yes, Christine Baranski does this in the movie. But like, there's something about like this these it was like Moira Rose esque, Kind of up there, like a little Catherine O'Hara esque. And I just was like, you get these one line zingers and she's cutting the toe off the heel in the play 


Jeff [00:15:43] That was so funny. 


Richie [00:15:43] It's just so great. And the stepsisters are great, too. The whole family. I love their costumes. 


Jeff [00:15:47] and their such bit roles in the show. 


Richie [00:15:50] Yeah.


Jeff [00:15:50] Compared to the other leads. Yeah. You know, you have what Annie Golden was doing. You have the stepmother, you have the Stepsisters, you have Rapunzel. These are all smaller roles, but they're so memorable. From what you do on that stage, you can make that role memorable. 


Richie [00:16:04] Right, Right, Right. 


Jeff [00:16:04] You know, and it was just great, you know. 


Richie [00:16:08] They all really, really great. And I loved the puppeteer who was doing Milky White. Milky White is such an important character, and I think it's so great to see the reactions and how wonderful that is. That was really, really great. 


Jeff [00:16:18] And that the puppet was a crowd pleaser. 


Richie [00:16:21] And we had an understudy for that. So just shout out to them who played the role in the way when we saw it was Cameron Johnson. So kudos to you. 


Jeff [00:16:27] Yeah, I mean, bravo to this cast. 


[00:16:30] Yeah, yeah. 


[00:16:30] Literally. Bravo. 


Richie [00:16:32] It is a limited run. 


Jeff [00:16:33] Yeah.


Richie [00:16:33] It is. Only there's a show going into the theater after, so there's only a few weeks left to see it. Why? Why do you think that? Why do you think this is a limited run? Why is it going to stay a limited run? Why do you think this is like a pack it in in the summer and get it in and get it out. Why do you think that Broadway is doing that? Or the producers are doing that. 


Jeff [00:16:53] I would say that many people wanted to see this at City Center. There wasn't enough time. There wasn't enough performances. The cast was great. And because some of them were still available to do it in the summer, they were like, Let's do it. Yeah, not all of them, but some of them. And then they were able to get other people, other actors to come and do it. But I think why this is so important right now is this is like that tribute, that really great tribute to Stephen Sondheim right now. You know, a company he was already playing while he passed away. 


Richie [00:17:25] Assassians same. 


Jeff [00:17:26] Same. And now this is like that first show that really after his death comes back. 


Richie [00:17:33] So this was one of the this is essentially the first and this is an astonishing thing when you think about it. This is the first Broadway production of the Stephen Sondheim show that does not have any of his involvement. Maybe right before he died, he knew this was coming where he knew of. I had seen an interview with Julie Laster recently and she said I guess he had seen a video of her and said, I'd love for her to play Little Red. That's kind of cool that you get to know that he said that. I don't know how much she knew about this, but he essentially was not really involved because he had passed of the rehearsal process and the production. And we're talking about someone who started on Broadway way back in the Gypsy, West Side Story days. So someone is missing here in this. And most times I think when Andrew Lloyd Webber revival comes or when a theme is come of Lin-Manuel, with a big show comes the living composer, comes in, sees how it's going. So I felt and this is just me being, you know, theatrical and maybe finding the emotion of it. I did feel that absence not in what the creative was doing because it was so amazing, but I was like, Oh, he didn't see this. He's not here anymore. And I think this was a to be honest, a better tribute than I think they did at the Tony Awards. Putting this on, I think is a much better tribute. 


Jeff [00:18:46] Say it! 


Richie [00:18:47] Right. Because I thought that was a very rushed quick tribute. 


Jeff [00:18:50] I mean, that's why I think... 


Richie [00:18:50] Bernadette was amazing on the Tony Awards, but you know what I mean. 


Jeff [00:18:53] But I agree. That's why I think this was so important that they still brought it to Broadway after because, yes, this is the first show technically after his death to come to the stage without his involvement. And because they did it so well at City Center, it was a great tribute to bring this show. More people can see it, more people can experience it, and more people can just really just fully embrace. And I also think right now this show is so important to what we're all dealing with. 


Richie [00:19:20] Yes.


Jeff [00:19:21] You know, in life in general. And, you know, I think if we want to move into the story plot right now for me, you know, for it's kind of interesting for me, this is the first time I'm really seeing a full Broadway production of this show. Everything else has either been community or regional or even the junior version of into the for the movie or the movie. Right. You know, and it was just really nice to understand what the show is prior to seeing this and fully just let myself digest into it what's being told here. And I'm watching these characters journey through life, the woods and they all have these dreams, they all have these desire, desires, which for me it's kind of poignant today. We all have dreams, we all have desires. And what keeps hitting us in the face or what keeps blocking us from getting there and as a community or. Or not just that. But like. And how our decisions really affect your what you do in life, what your family does in life, what your friends do in life, and what everyone around you does in life. Because one little thing could change the whole world.


Richie [00:20:34] Right. And what is the giant. 


[00:20:36] Right. 


[00:20:37] iN the world? What is our our personal giant? And what are we dealing with with that someone like? It's amazing. Like in the beginning, Jack loves the giant and steals from them but is amazed by them. And then everyone else is. Cause nothing but pain and heartache. 


Jeff [00:20:53] But that's what's interesting about it. Because when you talk about desires, what can desires be lust, greed, beauty, all these things that you want, you want, and you'll do anything to get there. So the point was he could have been friends with the giant and they could have had a very successful world with the Giant. He could have asked the Giant. Instead, he decided to steal from the Giant. He was greedy to the giant, so he stole things. But then that mistake led to other people making mistakes. You know, you have like the baker who takes the gold coins from him, which is also kind of greed. What did they want? Well, they yearned for a baby and they would do anything to get a baby, and it didn't matter. The decisions they make, taking the cow or taking the red cape or cutting the hair, all of those things affected the whole story. 


Richie [00:21:47] Right. And what's also amazing is we know most of these stories from our youth. Most people know most of these stories. So as you grow up and you see, you know, in a way I always find the most there's so many good songs, no one is alone is so important to like life and the musical theater song cycles and just that is just those two people singing to them. You're not alone. No one. No one is alone. I mean, this is a beautiful thing to say. And then to sing, children will listen and to remind ourselves that children listen to these stories. Children will listen. Careful, the things you say. Children will see and learn. They do. What are children seeing today? The horrible garbage on the news and the politics and the sadness and the anger and the ridiculous world we live in. Children see that. Children hear the conversations of their parents and grandparents and uncles and aunts and and take that what you want. You know, maybe children, whatever you're talking about, children will listen. I think that's so important to you. They listen to these fairy tales growing up and look at what we're still learning from fairy tales. Yeah, it's what's most important. 


Jeff [00:22:59] Well, children are innocent. Yeah, they really are. And they learn. Yeah, most things are learned. You know, I always tell you this funny thing. Well, these like, I heard a joke that my parents told me when I was younger, and I repeated it and it was a dirty joke and I didn't know. Right. And I repeated it at school and I got a phone call home and I was like, wait, Jeffrey, why did you say that joke at school? I was like, because I heard you guys say it and everyone laughed. 


Richie [00:23:28] Right.


Jeff [00:23:30] But children are innocent and it's really so telling, you know, and missing that joke at school. Now, other kids have heard that joke and maybe they're going to go say it. And it's just like there's a ripple effect of your action. 


Richie [00:23:43] And there's also that Rodgers and Hammerstein song lyric from South Pacific. They say you've got to be carefully taught. Yeah. And I think what is taught, what is, you know, what do you hear? What is your environment when you become the product of your environment? Right. And so I think it's I love that the witch sings that at the end the children will listen because she has a child and, you know, she thinks she has Rapunzel and Rapunzel. And then all these years later and Rapunzel's, you know, she doesn't want to go back to her. It's children will listen. It's just an amazing way to end the story. 


Jeff [00:24:14] And that's even another thing, too, is like protecting as parents, protecting your youth or your children and not and trying to keep them from the world to let them make their own mistakes. What does that mean? What how does that bite you and that right. And look what it did do to the Witch and Rapunzel. 


Richie [00:24:38] It's interesting because Sara Barreillis in an interview recently had said that this show has always come in really poignant times. The original came in the late eighties, early nineties, around the HIV AIDS epidemic at a difficult time in New York. Then the first revival came right after 911, a difficult time in New York. And now this revival is coming right at the end of the pandemic and many other things. But, you know, the pandemic to start and difficult time from New York and the world. And it's almost like we need this story sometimes every every few years to remind ourselves of our youth and what we've learned and how we bring that into our adulthood. 


Jeff [00:25:14] But relate this story to what the world is dealing with. Depends. Hmm. Just think about it. 


Richie [00:25:21] Well, if you can see kids say the pandemic is the giant and water and what? And what do they do with the giant? One person thinks they should kill the jar. One person thinks we should give sacrifice so much that one person thinks, let's tie the rope. They all have an idea. They're not working together, but they're forced to work together. 


Jeff [00:25:38] But think a little bit harder. Think a little bit harder. Because for me, my immediate thing is, oh, it's their fault that we have the pandemic. No, it's their fault that we have. No, it's their fault. And then move it down. Trickle down. Oh, it's your fault that you brought COVID to Christmas or it's your fault that you did this. Meanwhile, most people didn't even know that this was going on. But think about it and say, why do we play that blame game? 


Richie [00:26:05] Or it's the the government did too much. The government didn't do anything or you did that. You have to it's everyone has an opinion on it and and then but I always think in into the woods what is astonishing is it leads to to kill they killed someone in front of the giant, the giant and killed a person. When we're talking about Jack's mother. Right. I that's like a while you it was an every man. It was like a Lord of the Flies moment, kind of in a way, you know, it was like everywhere random. 


Jeff [00:26:29] And what so it is to that there's a learning moment I think, you know, as we see them all learn from the mistakes, but not all because most of them end up dying. Yeah, but when you have the baker, you have Cinderella, you have Jack and you have little red, and that they've had to learn from the mistakes that they made throughout the woods. 


Richie [00:26:48] Yeah.


Jeff [00:26:48] And then come together. 


Richie [00:26:50] They almost become their own family. 


Jeff [00:26:51] They do. 


Richie [00:26:52] At the end, you know. 


Jeff [00:26:53] Know, I think that's great. And after they had to figure out that they couldn't blame each other any more, that they all had to own up to it together and defeat the giant together. 


Richie [00:27:03] Right.


Jeff [00:27:03] That it worked. 


Richie [00:27:03] Right, right. Right. 


Jeff [00:27:05] You know, and that really is a beautiful message. 


Richie [00:27:07] Yeah. It's a really, really and and like I said, I think Sondheim writes every one of his shows is so different. Everyone is so different. This is this was one of his last ones. He had a few after, but this was one of the last really big ones. He did. And really, really impressive. You'll always see this. You'll always see it done. I'm glad we saw a Broadway revival here, too. It's amazing. It will. 


Jeff [00:27:28] We will always see this because it's a timeless show. 


Richie [00:27:30] Yeah, it is. 


Jeff [00:27:30] Because we're going to be dealing with this for the rest of our life becuase we're always going to have giants in the sky. There's always just going to be giants in the world who have all the power. And yes, the little guys squash. 


Richie [00:27:45] Hopefully. Well, yes. 


Jeff [00:27:46] No, I did I did really enjoy this production, though, which was which was very, very nice. 


Richie [00:27:52] Yeah. Oh, we're just about out of time. So wrap it up. Final thoughts on the revival and the production as whole. 


Jeff [00:28:01] Like I said, I think that this production was great. If you do have the time to go and see this this summer, I highly, highly recommend it. Even if you saw of the city center production, I highly recommend you going back to see this cast because it is very different, I'm sure from the videos I saw of the City Center Productions, this is just like a tad bit different but very, very good. And this just go in and really let the show speak for itself and let your imagination kind of go on a ripple effect here and just enjoy it. You know. 


Richie [00:28:34] I what I will say is it's very rare that I leave a show and like I like every single person in the show and every element of the show, I always think maybe something is weaker or something stronger. It was a true uniform team of people working up there. The the conductor takes a vow with them. Yeah, that's a character, too. It's so important. And I think they you can tell they're all it's not, oh, go and do the show, get the paycheck, go home. It's like they're working and they're bringing this community piece together because it really is a community piece. And I'm very impressed. Yes. Like he said, please go see it. It's really, really wonderful. It's playing till the end of August, which is a few more weeks. 


Jeff [00:29:13] Yeah I think August 26th, one last thing I did want to say, and we didn't talk about this, but those costumes are gorgeous. 


Richie [00:29:18] Gorgeous, loved all. 


Jeff [00:29:19] Of them. They were gorgeous. They spoke to you as every character walked on that. 


Richie [00:29:24] They all represent different colors of the rainbow. Did you notice that there was red, yellow, green, blue and all purple? There were all different colors. 


Jeff [00:29:29] And royalty and. 


Richie [00:29:31] Yeah.


Jeff [00:29:32] It just really whoever the costume designer is on this, I don't have the name in front of me. 


Richie [00:29:37] Before we go, costume designer Andrea Hood. 


Jeff [00:29:40] They were beautiful. Yeah, they really were nice. And I don't know what the Tony situation is going to be for this. 


Richie [00:29:47] Well, exactly. This is the first show of the new Tony season. Yeah, I believe so. We'll see how this goes, you know, almost a year from now when Tony's come back. 


Jeff [00:29:56] Well, I'm just interested to see if they even submit, but it will be very interesting to see because this is a great contender and it could definitely win thing for sure. So, you know. 


Richie [00:30:06] We thank you so much for listening. We hope you enjoy today. We've got some more shows coming up and some more pop music episodes. Make sure you listen to them every weekly Friday at 3 p.m. Eastern Time, we are releasing new episodes. So thank you so much. Please head over to @halfhourpodcast on all our social media platforms, platforms, Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok, all those places. Check us out through two worlds. Entertainment. Comments. Engage. Let us know what you thought of the show as well and more to come next time we'll have another show and the pop music. Big summer ahead. So looking forward to it. Until next time, signing off for now. I'm Richie. 


Jeff [00:30:40] And I'm Jeff . 


Richie [00:30:41] Saying ta ta. 


Jeff [00:30:42] Bye.