HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)

Charli XCX, House Pop, and New Music Picks! (Pop Episode)

July 08, 2022 Two Worlds Entertainment Episode 63
HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)
Charli XCX, House Pop, and New Music Picks! (Pop Episode)
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In this weeks podcast, Jeff & Richie bring you an episode featuring:

Charli XCX! Take a dive with Jeff & Richie into the world of Charli XCX as they have a casual conversion on her fifth studio album CRASH, what it means to be a Popstar in the industry, and her new single with Tiësto "Hot In It". 

Jeff & Richie then move the discussion over to HOUSE POP, a conversation on the influence of House Music in the current Pop Music space.  (Follow the POP PLAYLIST here). Tracks discussed include:
Beyoncé - "Break My Soul"
Drake - "Massive"
Mabel, Jax Jones & Galantis - "Good Luck"

New Music of the week include: (Follow the NEW ARTIST PICKS PLAYLIST here)
Ashe - "Angry Woman"
Sabrina Carpenter - "Vicious"
Chris Youmans - "Too Close"
Anna Katarina - "Golden Days"
Conan Gray - "Disaster" 

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Richie [00:00:03] Half hour. 


Jeff [00:00:08] Hello and welcome to Half Hour, an entertainment podcast through two worlds entertainment. I'm Jeff


Richie [00:00:12] and I'm Richie. 


Jeff [00:00:14] And we're here to bring you a casual conversation on the shows, films, concerts and music that we see, listen to and observe throughout our careers. Today's conversation will feature current pop music hits from the first like second half of June and first half of July. And you can follow along and listen to the music we are discussing by going to our Instagram and TikTok accounts at half hour podcast and click the link in our bio to save and listen to our curated playlist. And there's the spiel. 


Richie [00:00:44] June or July of 2022. 


Jeff [00:00:46] 2022, and that's the year. 


Richie [00:00:48] We're here because you never know. Maybe someone in the year from now listen to this and say, Oh, well, what June and July? Are they talking? 


Jeff [00:00:53] I hope. 


Richie [00:00:53] So. I hope so. 


Jeff [00:00:55] Or like in 2050, I hope they say, let's go back and listen to that podcast in 2022. What podcast will pop music was like and is it changed or. 


Richie [00:01:06] Is it the same? Anyway, after. 


Jeff [00:01:10] Today, we're going to go through a wild ride of different pop music. And I would like to start with our artist Spotlight that's going to be on Miss Charli XCX. She had recently back in March released her fifth studio album, Crash, and she has just released a new single with Tiesto called Hot in It. Let's see, I'm just going to go back here and start a little bit. So prior to releasing her fifth studio album, Crash in March, Charli had declared that Hyperpop music is dead. Do you like Hyperpop? 


Richie [00:01:43] Kind of. 


Jeff [00:01:45] But that it's done now. We are not past podcast. We have talked about Hyperpop a little bit about RuPaul doing this whole Hyperpop album, and I was like, Isn't hyper pop dead? 


Richie [00:01:54] Well, he did release that a little too late. It was. 


Jeff [00:01:57] Like.


Richie [00:01:58] He just, just missed the end. I think Hyperpop will come back one day. I really believe that it's. 


Jeff [00:02:03] Shiny and it's super produced. It's very heavy. It's definitely it's definitely club. But you know, and Hyperpop is a subgenre that she used very heavily in her fourth studio album, How I'm Feeling, which was like this whole pandemic COVID release. And yeah, I mean, it wasn't really radio friendly and nothing really came from it. And now here we are with Crash. Crash to me is pure radio friendly pop. It's dance pop, in my opinion. And it brings us straight back to some of her earlier music, like the songs from her Sucker album, which had Boom Clap on it.  


Richie [00:02:36] Boom Clap was Big. 


Jeff [00:02:36] And Break the Rules. Those are two songs are pretty big. And also from Charli, which she had released 1999, with Troy Sivan. Blame It on Your Love with Lizzo. So those were some pretty big pop songs in that time. And yeah, personally, I loved watching her journey that she's taken since entering the pop scene. As you may remember, she was featured on some big hits like Fancy with Iggy Azalea and I love it with Icona Pop. So for me or for you, in terms of Charli's career, do you think that Charli has made some big marks, big marks in the pop music industry? 


Richie [00:03:13] So I feel like yes and no. I feel like she kind of has a little bit, but I still feel like she's falling in the shadows of the Icona Pop, Iggy Azalea, like the Troye Sivan, Lizzo and the stuff she's just keeps falling in the shadows of all these people. To me, I'm like, are you can break out now and kind of do your own thing, which is I know is what she's doing. But I feel like I don't think she's created as much of a name for herself at this point as she could have. Because when you mention all these songs like, oh, yeah, oh yeah, oh yeah. 


Jeff [00:03:42] You know, well, I think that's always been a really interesting thing with Charli is like her features, whether she's been featured or people have been featured on her tracks, those are usually the songs that I feel like take off, but she's always had a very unique experimental sound. Yeah, it hasn't always been. I'm trying to be that main pop girl sound and we'll get to this a little bit. But I feel like she she's leaving Atlantic Records and it's now time for, like, Charli to take full take full like realm of her career. And I feel like this is like the line in her sand. Since she's leaving Atlantic, she pulled out many stops on this album with features like Christine and the Queens, Caroline Polachek, Rina Sawayama and her single, which were her singles. And I feel like that's kind of like her taking a little bit of risk on Atlantic's dime, if you you think so what? When you hear that an artist is moving from their original label, what do you immediately think? 


Richie [00:04:49] I usually think one word, which is problem, problem from the records perspective, problems from the artist's perspective, most of the time it's problems from both perspectives, leaving a major label. That's a big deal. And I feel like some people stay a lot of their life on one label and so or two, you know, sort of leave it. You have to be really confident in that decision. I'm not saying it's the right decision or wrong decision. I don't know the details. Right. Well, and of course, a contract ends. Anybody can leave if a contract ends or it contracts over. She did what she needed to do in her contract. 


Jeff [00:05:30] Right and every contract is different. You know, everyone. Some people have to do five albums. Some people have to do seven albums. Some people only get one album and then a label can drop them after that. So what's interesting is that she had five albums and now she's like, I'm going to do something else. And I always kind of do want to know, like, what? What is that reason and why? You know. 


Richie [00:05:49] I mean, it's good. It's good in a way. I always think like when people leave, yeah, I just can't help thinking of the word problem. There must have been a problem, because if there wasn't a problem, you'd stay. Right? 


Jeff [00:05:57] Probably. And I think that comes down to the music that she does like and does enjoy making versus what is kind of expected. She was actually quoted saying the following recently. "I wanted to finally, after all my years, signed to a major label, actually make the record that the the way a major label wants you to make the record and really utilize all of the tools of the major labels and just play the game a little. I wanted to do this to challenge myself." So for me, that kind of seems loaded in many different ways. Do you think artists should be making music like this, or they should be kind of sticking to their authentic selves? 


Richie [00:06:34] Well, what I think the difficulty with that question is what is authentic and is reinventing the wheel or reshaping yourself authentic, or is doing the same thing all the time? I always say I always appreciate Lady Gaga changing her sense of style and sound in every new album. 


Jeff [00:06:54] Yeah!


Richie [00:06:54] But then I also like the fact that every time Barbra Streisand released an album, it's the same thing. So I'm very torn sometimes on that question, you know? 


Jeff [00:07:03] Right. Which kind of makes authentic? Was Barbra Streisand's career... Authentic? 


Richie [00:07:08] Well, sure. But then Lady Gaga's career also authentic in a way, because you never know what she's going to come next. That's an authenticity in and of itself. But I know what you're saying though. 


Jeff [00:07:18] Some people would debate that. 


Richie [00:07:18] Sure.


Jeff [00:07:19] I'm talking about in terms of the music that she wants to make, if you can if we can honestly say like someone like Lady Gaga has made that album that she's wanted to make since day one, well, then, sure, she's being authentic. But if she if she's just doing something to play the game and doing something that the label wants you to make that sound really authentic. 


Richie [00:07:39] Sure.


Jeff [00:07:39] You know, like a great example that Kelly Clarkson went through was that she was being told to record and put out the music that she didn't want to put out. So that really is not really being authentic. 


Richie [00:07:52] But I feel like that keeps repeating itself. We've heard for 20 and 30 and 40, probably longer, many, many years, mainly female solo artist who struggle with their label. They wanted me to sound like this. They wanted me to do this. They! I picture it being this like evil layer of people where they're like, We are the they and we are going to. And I'm like, Is the industry that evil and corrupt? Because if it is, when are we going to see the change? And sometimes I have this conversation with you and I say, Okay, well then why did they sign to begin with? Then you're like, Well, you're 21, you're getting signed. So now this is this your break? You have to sign. But then I'm like, Yeah, but you know, it's just interesting how it's kind of like your arm twisted in the industry. 


Jeff [00:08:33] Yeah but when you... 


Richie [00:08:33] You take the deal, but then at the end of the deal, they're like, I didn't make the music the way I wanted to. I couldn't put the sound out the way. I'm like, Well, that's sad. 


Jeff [00:08:40] When you're young and hungry, you do what you need to do. Right?


Richie [00:08:42] Yeah!


Jeff [00:08:43] So when someone says to you, "Hey, I really like your sound, Charlie XCX, I'm going to sign you and you're going to do a five record deal and you're going to do this and you're going to do that. Do you say no?  


Richie [00:08:55] No. But then are you also saying that your first or second album, The Early Days, is not your authentic self? Is that a question? I think some of Lady Gaga's best stuff is some of her first stuff. 


Jeff [00:09:06] Well, I think that's authentic to Lady Gaga. 


Richie [00:09:08] Sure.


Jeff [00:09:08] But that's her alternate personality. 


Richie [00:09:10] Right, right. 


Jeff [00:09:11] Lady Gaga. That's her stage name. 


Richie [00:09:12] With someone like. 


Jeff [00:09:13] Which also Charlie XCX is her stage name as well. 


Richie [00:09:16] Right. But she's early stuff has been as a feature as a guest. Now show us what you are and your ideas. What she saying right is show us who you are as well. 


Jeff [00:09:25] No, I think what she's saying is that her authentic self is making more electronic experimental music that is not really radio friendly or pop friendly. It's all subgenres of pop. And this one, she's like, You know what? This is my last album with Atlantic. I'm just going to give them that record that they really wanted. And guess what? I actually think Atlantic got behind that. 


[00:09:45] Right. 


[00:09:46] Because she had a music video after music video, she had a great esthetic to the album and she put out BOP after BOP. You know, I really I really enjoyed the album. It's actually probably at the top for me out of most of her albums. And some of my favorites were songs like Lightning Yuck and Sorry If I Hurt You. 


[00:10:04] Yeah, they were great. 


[00:10:05] You know, those all really have a lot of the influences in that I like hearing. It's super eighties infused. 


Richie [00:10:12] Yes very!


Jeff [00:10:13] It's very nineties sampled. It's it's great, you know, and that's the kind of music that I sometimes really like. But that's just me. That's just me. 


Richie [00:10:20] And I like those. And when you say featuring eighties, nineties, it's amazing to me how like so much pop now, it has so much influence. Like when you hear the Bruno Mars stuff, it sounds like that 60s, 70s here, this new house music, which I know we're about to get to, having that seventies, eighties feel too. Then you have some of these eighties sounds, nineties sounds. It's like all the music seems to come back to good old stuff, you know? Yeah, I think that's great. Pop is kind of a little bit of everything now, you know? 


Jeff [00:10:45] I mean, samples are very heavy right now, but samples have been heavy, I feel like, for years now. It's not like, you know, but whenever you know, I do want to talk about this new single though before we move on from Charli with Tiesto called hot in it I first I want to know Bob or flop.


Richie [00:11:04] Bop.


Jeff [00:11:05] And why. 


Richie [00:11:06] Because he's saying it 3000 times and I don't think you relaize, you'll just be like cleaning and you're like Hot In It. And I'm like, do you realize you're literally singing it all day? 


Jeff [00:11:14] Because when I'm walking around in my shorts, I'm saying I look, I look hot in it. 


Richie [00:11:18] Oh Lord, dial it down over there on that microphone. 


Jeff [00:11:23] Okay. But interestingly enough, that song has gone viral on TikTok before it even came out. And now the song finally came out in a full release. But they've released the chorus ahead of time. It had its viral moment and now it's going to probably re viral. Re viral? Sure. And yeah, I think it's great. It's super catchy and I'm pretty sure we're going to hear it in the clubs the rest of the summer. 


Richie [00:11:43] Yeah, definitely. 


Jeff [00:11:44] I love it. It's a hot song and it's super hot. okay. Well, I love talking about Charli XCX. I could really do that for a long time, but we're going to we're going to move on to our genre section. Of the podcast today, we're going to be talking about House Pop or some people are also like to call it dance pop. But I do want to talk about the house influences that are coming back into mainstream pop music. And, you know, we'll do a little education here first on where house music has come from. So House music's origins trace back to the underground clubs of Chicago and New York in the late seventies. Club culture spawned from the disco era. Because the disco era was thriving and deejays were experimenting with new ways of mixing their sets to keep people dancing. Early Innovators like Frankie Knuckles, Larry Levine, DJ Ron Hardy are just to name a few of these major deejays that really were kind of breaking through in the House scene. Their early mixing and remixing techniques gave new life to dance music and the dying disco era. Because the disco sucks movement was happening at the time and the sounds were still being kept by with these more underground clubs and a unique sound coined house music emerged from Chicago. Most people don't know where the exact origins of the name come from, and they're unclear. But many say that house music was named after the Warehouse nightclub in Chicago southside. Chicago record stores would attract fans of the emerging sound by labeling dance beats, as played at the warehouse, which became shortened to house music. 


Richie [00:13:23] Well, it makes sense. Yeah. 


Jeff [00:13:24] So that's a really interesting thing that I was like, I kind of never really knew why it was called House Music and to find out there was a club called The Warehouse a Duh. Yeah. And that's where the music was coming out. House music, like we're coming to the house. Yes. So House music has become the first direct descendant of disco. And in the early eighties, it said that house was born from the ashes of disco. And after the launch of the anti disco movement, predominantly in LGBTQ, African-American and Latino communities, had popular, popularized underground nightclubs and accelerated dance music culture, legendary nightclub clubs such as New York's Paradise Garage and Chicago's Warehouse, obviously, as I mentioned before, set the stage for the modern club culture and catapulted the club DJ to rock star status. And as most of us already know, in the eighties and nineties, we saw a lot of house influence in pop music, especially in songs like Vogue by Madonna and other artists like Janet Jackson, Paula Abdul and Robin S all taking this house music into the mainstream culture. So now that we have a little bit of the background on house music, where does house music sit in your music catalog? Richard And might you think pop stars are trying to bring House back into pop music? 


Richie [00:14:44] Well, it's fun. Yeah, it's really fun. It's got a little bit of that tail end of disco there with the beat. And the beat keeps you moving. And then what I like about it is I hear it mostly in clubs or bars. And when you're dancing and you hear a song and you get a beat and it almost. You sure whisper the lyric. Yeah. And then you hear a wisp of a it's really smart the way it's intertwined. And if you really are a good house music deejay, you loop and you connect and you never know when a song is ending on a new one is beginning. Yeah. How many times do you go to, like, a wedding? And you very clearly know when a song is ending? You know it's beginning because they're changing the song. Like, very clearly. I have a very hard time trying to find out when a  house music song is ending. 


Jeff [00:15:25] House is good because you could totally beat match. 


Richie [00:15:27] Yes, you totally can. 


Jeff [00:15:27] You could be feeling like you're just listening to the same song for like 10 hours and that it's the same, but that the beat matching is just working perfectly so that they're like, Oh wow, we that song is playing. 


Richie [00:15:42] Well to answer your question of why do you think pop stars are looking to bring this back to me, there's one answer that makes the most sense, and that's post-COVID. It's a world of dancing. People want to go out and dance for 10 hours. People are so sick and tired of the death and the tragedy and the sadness of the world. 


Jeff [00:16:00] Yeah.


Richie [00:16:01] And then they will go. And not just, like, dance to one song. Dance to two songs. We're going to drink all that said, no, they want to dance. 


Jeff [00:16:07] I want to go, I want to dance. 


Richie [00:16:10] And yeah, a huge emergence of of groundbreaking music sometimes comes out of environments like, you know, the the the freedom of the sixties and seventies. And that music comes from the more stricter environments of the fifties. You know, it's always kind of repeats itself, like that's when you have this tragic times that we've had two and a half years later here. I think that's why it's a post-pandemic release. It's a renaissance. It's a rebirth of bring that sound back. 


Jeff [00:16:35] Yeah, well, I just thought of something that's super interesting right now, because recently we talked on our pop podcast about disco pop. 


Richie [00:16:43] Yeah.


Jeff [00:16:44] And now we're talking about house pop. What is the correlation here about all of these disco influences being in the pop scene now and now we're trying to smash it with house music again? 


Richie [00:16:54] Well, it's all in some ways it's all different, but in some ways it's all similar. 


Jeff [00:16:59] Well, it comes from disco. 


Richie [00:17:00] Yeah, but when you when you hear the remixing Gimme, Gimme, Gimme by ABBA, they're taking these songs and they're putting new beats on them and they're mixing them. It's quite the day of a mix. And master artist. Yeah. I mean, this is the times we're in now. Take your samples, take your old songs, get the ears to perk up old people. That is like, I know the song, you know, and and that's the new age. And I love, to me, the house music always comes down to the beat. Yeah, the rhythm. That heavy bass. Heavy bass is so important. Even in some pop music that's not necessarily house pop. I'm hearing a heavy bass. 


Jeff [00:17:34] Always,.


Richie [00:17:34] And we'll talk about that in some of these Bops or Flops that are coming up. There's heavy bass. 


Jeff [00:17:37] It's always, always bass. Oh, let's hear some of the highlights. Let's talk about that are happening right now, I think in the house pop space. Obviously, we all know this one's coming. But Miss Beyoncé, they just dropped her first single Break My Soul. And she did it in time for pride. It was all over the clubs when we were out. I think it's like it's Beyonce three songs then Beyonce again. Right. 


Richie [00:18:02] So yeah, I totally it works the song, it's not the most lyric heavy song, but house music doesn't have to be. You don't Break My Soul over and over again is like, yeah, bop my head to that like over and over and over again. 


Jeff [00:18:16] There you go. BOP, it. 


Richie [00:18:18] It. It's like, beat it, flick it, bop it. There's another Bop It reference, you know, like that thing we used to have. 


Jeff [00:18:25] Richie's going to give us nineties nostalgia. Yeah. 


Richie [00:18:30] The word BOP is clearly around. But I think of that like bop it, and pull it. And with all these sound effects so...


Jeff [00:18:39] We are going to start seeing Bop Its on the dance floor. 


Richie [00:18:41] Yeah, it wouldn't surprise me. 


Jeff [00:18:45] Well do you like the song? 


Richie [00:18:46] Yeah, I love it. And I'm really looking forward to her new album. I really am. 


Jeff [00:18:50] There's a little rumor going on on the TikTok world, you know? I know you're not there, so you don't know. 


Richie [00:18:53] I'm not on the TikTok world. 


Jeff [00:18:57] He's not on the TikTok world but Telephone was showing up. You know that song where Lady Gaga telephone was showing up in her sounds and everyone's thinking, is telephone part two coming? 


Richie [00:19:10] I don't know. 


Jeff [00:19:11] You heard it here first. If it is, I said it. 


Richie [00:19:13] And if it's not. 


Jeff [00:19:15] And if it's not, I never said it. Richie did. 


Richie [00:19:17] No.


Jeff [00:19:20] All right. Well, I like that. Break my soul. It's great. It's a fun song. Now, this one's probably unexpected to you because I'm pretty sure you probably didn't hear it. But Mr. Drake and his single Massive. 


Richie [00:19:32] I'm a big Drake fan. I like my Drake. One day I'm going to go to a Drake concert. 


Jeff [00:19:35] Was this a shocking one to you? 


Richie [00:19:37] Yeah. It was because I was like, oh, you house music this? Oh, yeah. You know. 


Jeff [00:19:43] He was giving the gays what they want. 


Richie [00:19:44] On the Pride Month. I was like. 


Jeff [00:19:45] Okay, he's giving Richie what he wants. 


Richie [00:19:47] Oh, my God. 


Jeff [00:19:48] It's massive. 


Richie [00:19:50] That's the name of the song. This is a Mr. Drake. And we're not talking about the hostess cake. Drake's whatever that is. 


Jeff [00:19:59] Those are massive too. 


Richie [00:20:00] The little duck with the Yodels. 


Jeff [00:20:03] Oh, my goodness. 


Richie [00:20:04] We're going off. But yes. Oh, Drake, Drake, Beyonce, releasing this it totally makes sense. And I love it and it works. And why not? Let's go. 


Jeff [00:20:12] I'm pretty sure we're going to hear both of those just blended into eachother. 


Richie [00:20:15] Right. For 10 hours. That works for me. I love it. I really do. 


Jeff [00:20:19] Let's go dance. And last one Mabel's. Good luck. 


Richie [00:20:22] Okay. I love this. Where did this come from? You know why? There's something about the words. Like, good luck. Like we hear that in, like, a your you know, people say good luck. Like like obviously they don't mean it because they're mad, right? She's mad in the song. Yeah. She's like, good luck. 


Jeff [00:20:38] First of all, I think she is completely underrated. 


Richie [00:20:40] Yeah I'm obsessed like i'm going to listen to this all the time. 


Jeff [00:20:44] She is putting out some tracks right now and if you all don't know who Mabel is, go check her out. She is killing it. And I am so excited for this record. Can I get this record? 


Richie [00:20:54] Ahh sure. 


Jeff [00:20:56] It's pretty order orange. 


Richie [00:20:58] Then you can get me the Liza at the Palace, New release that she's letting. Oh, we already have it.


Jeff [00:21:04] Liza sitting on the chair at the palace. 


Richie [00:21:08] Liza will always be, no matter if she's sitting or standing, a queen. 


Jeff [00:21:12] But I do really like this Mabel song. But yeah, I actually I'm really liking all of the house influences into all three of these songs. Do you think this is a quick sub pop genre happening in the industry again, or do you think that's going to be influenced in dance for the next couple of years? 


Richie [00:21:25] It'll be a few years. I don't know much more past that, but definitely for a few years you still had people emerging from this pandemic and living their life, and you have 35 year olds that wish they were 25 and 25 year olds that wish they were 18 and everyone got bumped a few years. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to say too. Everyone's like, All right, this is my 25th birthday. And this 30th birthday girl that I am, this is my 35th birthday, 40th birthday, whatever it is. So let's, let's back it up and let's live those days again. 


Jeff [00:21:51] And let's see who is going to try to take on the genre. Rihanna. 


Richie [00:21:57] Yeah.


Jeff [00:21:57] We're talking to you. 


Richie [00:21:58] Where where is that? 


Jeff [00:22:00] Rihanna! Please! Thank you! 


Richie [00:22:03] Gaga could too. Maybe? 


Jeff [00:22:05] She kind of did. 


Richie [00:22:06] Yeah.


Jeff [00:22:06] Chromatica kind of is...


Richie [00:22:07] Chromatica is that. Yes. 


Jeff [00:22:09] Yeah. Chromatica has a lot of house music. 


Richie [00:22:12] For sure, but I think we'll be hearing this a lot. 


Jeff [00:22:14] Definitely so. Yeah. So house music is in, you know, what's our next genre? Are we doing Broadway Pop next? Next week? 


Richie [00:22:21] Oh, yeah. when are we doing Broadway Pop? We have to literally invent that subgenre? Broadway Pop. But I'm telling you, and we've talked about this in past podcasts. When you look at the history of Broadway, if a very famous song came on Broadway, it was on the radio and everyone listened to it. I'm telling you, that's like what happened. So, like, Broadway Pop was a thing a long time ago when Broadway artists were creating the next big song. 


Jeff [00:22:48] Of course. 


Richie [00:22:48] And so we don't see that much anymore. 


Jeff [00:22:50] You know, it's a fun thing we could do. 


Richie [00:22:52] What's that. 


Jeff [00:22:53] What would the sister song be to a pop song but Broadway. 


Richie [00:22:58] You should all comment on that. What do you think? Get get some comments from people. 


Jeff [00:23:02] You know, like what's the sister song to? I don't know. Like, What's the pop sister song? To you can't stop the beat. 


Richie [00:23:11] LIke hairspray? 


Jeff [00:23:12] Yeah, like pit bulls. Don't start the party. Don't stop the party. 


Richie [00:23:15] Yeah, yeah, right. And then a house deejay can mix it for 10 hours there. See I pulled it in full circle. 


Jeff [00:23:23] You heard it here first. 


Richie [00:23:24] Okay. Oh, my God. 


Richie [00:23:26] All right. 


Jeff [00:23:26] All right. We're going over to our new music artist. Highlights Bob or Flop. I have. 


Richie [00:23:32] I like this game. 


Jeff [00:23:34] I have five songs here for Mr. Richard, and I have a little fun fact about each one, too, that we'll do after each. 


Richie [00:23:39] You might be surprised with some of my answers on these. Just saying! 


Jeff [00:23:43] Like I said, it's a BOP because I said it's a BOP. First up, we have Ashe and her single :Angry Woman". 


Richie [00:23:52] This is a bop. I love the lyrics. I love this song. It's power. And I'm obsessed. 


Jeff [00:23:59] Yes. Great. I'm so happy you like the song because I love it. I want to give a little fun fact here about this song. Angry Woman is off the upcoming album by Ashe, titled Raye, and she recently said the following "There's always been this sense that a woman in this world, if a woman in this world, I've needed to behave and play nice. Cutting off all this power and confidence that as a woman we should be demonstrating on a daily basis. Angry woman in many ways is about being fed up with abuse of power, and that is sometimes takes a little righteous anger to make a change, especially in today's climate. I want to see a woman getting a little angry because we should." 


Richie [00:24:37] Yeah, that's what I love. 


Jeff [00:24:38] Now this song came out, I think, the same day as Roe v Wade getting overturned. And I said, "Oh, I need to put this on my pop music drop because this song is so telling for the time. And let's be angry. We need to be angry. Yeah, so bop. Let's go. Let's make this song happen and let's get angry yeah. Not do anything bad but let's get angry." 


Richie [00:24:59] Yeah.


Jeff [00:25:00] Okay. Sabrina Carpenter, Vicious!


Richie [00:25:02] Love it. BOP! 


Jeff [00:25:03] Bop!


Richie [00:25:04] Love the title, Vicious. I'm like oof, I love it!


Jeff [00:25:08] This is an overall power pop anthem about an ex. And come on, this girl was wronged.


Richie [00:25:12] Yeah, I love these names. Like Vicious. 


Jeff [00:25:15] Vicious, and I like hearing this angst again in the. 


Richie [00:25:19] We've always had female angst, but I feel like, oh... 


Jeff [00:25:21] It's coming back. 


Richie [00:25:22] Yeah, it's coming out. 


Jeff [00:25:22] They're reclaiming it, you know. And I really I was totally shocked when I heard that song because I was like, Hey, I've never really been a Sabrina Carpenter fan. And I heard this one and I'm like, Who? I think I need to see this live. 


Richie [00:25:36] I love it. 


Jeff [00:25:36] Okay, Chris Youmans Too Close. 


Richie [00:25:39] This I really like. This is a BOP for me. 


Jeff [00:25:42] This is a BOP right? 


Richie [00:25:42] I feel like I'm on this. I'm hearing all these sounds in the track and I'm like, Oh. 


Jeff [00:25:46] It's a good song in his voice. I really like it. This was a new discovery I found recently. 


Richie [00:25:51] I really liked this. 


Jeff [00:25:52] He said that he describes this era of him as a transdimensional, transdimensional journey, an elevated vision of pop that will create new dimensions and realities. Did you feel those things? 


Richie [00:26:04] I did. I really did. I was like, oh, this is really nice. I like that. 


Jeff [00:26:07] Yeah. The he's he's a one to watch. 


Richie [00:26:09] Yeah, for sure. 


Jeff [00:26:10] It was really good. For sure. Okay, Anna, Katrina's golden days. 


Richie [00:26:16] I'm kind of putting it on the Flop. I'm sorry. I just think it needs work. There's something missing. It was too, like. I don't know. I was kind of bored. I love to. Like, these are the golden days. Like, I was like, oh. And I was like, waiting for it to go somewhere. It was almost like she wanted to be a soft pop bop, like something light. 


Jeff [00:26:36] I think there's some country influences in here. 


Richie [00:26:38] Yeah, but. 


Jeff [00:26:38] that I don't think you're really feeling. 


Richie [00:26:39] Maybe I'm not feeling. 


Jeff [00:26:40] I think she verges on a little. Kacey Musgraves. 


Richie [00:26:42] Yeah, and I'm Also sometimes the Kacey Musgraves. I get a little like I always feel like a song,. 


Jeff [00:26:47] Don't cancel yourself okay. 


Richie [00:26:49] No I'm not, I'm just saying I feel like a song needs to go somewhere I when I don't and I feel like it. 


Jeff [00:26:54] I think it has a really bop chorus. 


Richie [00:26:56] It's not bad. I'm not. I tried to give you a couple of listens. It was nice. I just wasn't as obsessed. 


Jeff [00:27:01] All right. And lastly, this one is going to be either. Conan Gray Disaster. 


Richie [00:27:08] Okay? You're going to be shocked but I really liked it! I don't really like his voice. I almost wish someone else sang it because I don't really like his voice. I know of people like his voice. I'm like, ooh, but the song is lit. And like, when I was, I was really feeling this one, believe it or not. I know you thought it was really weird. Yeah. And like, light, the song are okay. Great. I really liked. 


Jeff [00:27:33] Well, just a little thing. Disaster is off Conan's sophomore album, which just came out too. I personally love Conan's sound though. 


Richie [00:27:41] It doesn't work for me. 


Jeff [00:27:42] It's fun, it's different. Like, I know you haven't really liked it. 


Richie [00:27:45] But it's like him and Billie Eilish don't do a duet. I might not. To me, the vocals together. 


Jeff [00:27:51] It's okay. But this is a really fun song. 


Richie [00:27:53] Yeah, but I'm not. I said that the song is great. I just don't really like their vocals. Like, I think Billie Eilish has great music too, but I don't always like her vocals. We'll talk about that another day. 


Jeff [00:28:03] Oh, he wants me to artist spotlight Billie Eilish. Okay. Interesting. 


Richie [00:28:08] But anyway, that's the Bop or Flop. 


Jeff [00:28:11] Oh.


Richie [00:28:12] Oh, oh, wow. Time flies when your here having fun on half hour. 


Jeff [00:28:18] Have you been hearing any new pop songs that you really like that? 


Richie [00:28:21] I think one day you're going to lead a Broadway episode and I'm going to lead a pop episode. Who would want to hear that? anyone? 


Jeff [00:28:27] Well, I'm going to get a pop song from like 1998, and he's going to be like it's brand new. 


Richie [00:28:33] There's a lot of Broadway coming up and there is a lot of good pop still to come. So plenty of opportunities. 


Jeff [00:28:38] I mean, I could easily lead a Broadway pop epi, a Broadway episode or and a Broadway pop episode. 


Richie [00:28:43] Well, you tell me. Well, you never said Current Pop of the day. I could do Pop from a long time ago. 


Jeff [00:28:49] Okay. Pop throwbacks, and he won't show me which songs they are. 


Richie [00:28:53] Oh, that's cool. 


Richie [00:28:54] I'm down for that. 


Jeff [00:28:56] But then I would have to know them. 


Richie [00:28:57] Yeah, well, we'll see. I'm sure you know them, you know, like everything else. 


Jeff [00:29:02] Anyway, thank you all for listening. We hope you. Look, I'm saying, y'all, because I was just in Kansas City and I'm saying. 


Richie [00:29:09] Yeah.


Jeff [00:29:10] Thank y'all. Anyway, thank you for listening. We hope you enjoyed this podcast and please subscribe to our podcast on Spotify and Apple Music so you can be the first to hear when it goes live. Leave us a review if you love what you heard today, but only if you loved what you heard. We also want you to really join in on our conversations that we're having on our Instagram account and TikTok account and comment on the latest post @halfhourpodcast. So yeah, we'd love to hear from you. Until next time. 


Richie [00:29:44] Signing off for now. I'm Richie. 


Jeff [00:29:46] And I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:29:46] Saying TaTa


Jeff [00:29:47] Bye bye. 

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