HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)

The Minutes (Broadway Episode)

July 01, 2022 Two Worlds Entertainment Episode 62
HALF HOUR with Jeff & Richie (An Entertainment Podcast)
The Minutes (Broadway Episode)
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It’s all about THE MINUTES in this latest episode! Written by Tracy Letts and Directed by Anna D. Shapiro, this Steppenwolf Production brings Jeff and Richie on a roller coaster ride of discussion! From the design elements, to the plot and of course that ending, we dive into the world of what this show means to our modern society and how this TONY-Nominated play really stands out as a lesson to all about what has come before us, and what will come after.

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Richie [00:00:03] Half hour. Hello and welcome to Half Hour and entertainment podcast through two worlds entertainment. I'm Richie 


Jeff [00:00:12] I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:00:15] Taking you on a journey through all the shows, movies, concerts, music and events and things that we see and hear throughout our careers. Today, we're bringing you a casual conversation on the latest Broadway production of The Minutes. The Minutes. It was a Tony nominee for Best Play for 2022. It's Steppenwolf's production from a few years past that is now making its probably debut at Studio 54 Theater on Broadway in New York City. And this is a play by Tracy Letts, directed by Anna D'Shapiro. And just a warning to you all that we will feature spoilers on this episode. So if you have not seen the piece or you don't want to listen to this until you've seen it, please make sure that you see it before listening further, because we do have some spoilers, especially about the ending. So were going to talk a lot about that for sure. So welcome, welcome, welcome. We are actually recording this hours after getting out. Sometimes we always record slightly different times depending on when we're seeing the show and what our schedules are. Today, we came right home to record this, which is really nice because we haven't talked too much about it yet, and I think this will be some really good energy here talking about this piece. So what are your overall thoughts, Jeff, just in general on this piece as a whole and what you thought of it? 


Jeff [00:01:35] This was a really interesting, kind of chilling at times, odd piece. I, I think the word odd kind of really just hits the mark on the head for me because I was like, I don't know where this is going at first and figuring out the setting. I mean, when we first enter into the theater, we see this set and you kind of don't know where it even is to begin with. 


Richie [00:02:01] So and then you hear this marching band, Americana music playing as you're taking your seats very like, Yeah, yeah. 


Jeff [00:02:08] And for me it just felt, okay, let's see where we're are, what we're about to watch. And then you obviously realize like what the title of the show, The Minutes and they're going to be having a meeting and what's going to happen in this meeting is something that we will unravel here. But overall opinion on the show, I thought this was done really, really well. 


Richie [00:02:27] Yeah, I really would say overall that there was some really... one of the reviews called it Parks and Rec meets the Twilight Zone. And I totally understand that because I actually love both of those shows like a lot. And so I understand the Parks and Rec comedy side of it at a time, and then I understand the Twilight Zone mystery. It's that fifties and sixties kind of like old school horror where it's mystery and it's not necessarily gruesome, gory, well, maybe a little gory at the last 5 minutes there. 


Jeff [00:03:00] It's interesting. You're watching this? And you like even hearing that and seeing. Oh, it is kind of like an episode of the Twilight Zone


Richie [00:03:10] In was. 


Jeff [00:03:10]  but it's also kind of a little bit like American Horror Story. That's like seeing an episode of both of those shows done in this style in a 90 minute play. It was very similar to that. 


Richie [00:03:22] Yeah, I really commend someone like Tracy Letts. You know, Tracy Letts who writes August Osage County and is like, that's a brilliant, brilliant play and a brilliant film too, of the play that was for me years back. But I think Tracy Letts really does is Tracy Letts lets you into a world that you know and that you don't know. I look at this, I see city council meetings, school board meetings, anywhere where there's these like formal meetings. And I'm like, okay, I know this. I think this is a maybe we're going to see a mockery of this. And then I'm like, Oh, I don't know this. And there were times in this where I was like, Oh my God, I got this small town, I got it, I got it. And then then I'm like, Oh, interesting. And you makes you look at things. And I think one of the smartest things he does in this play is he puts someone like Mr. Peele's character, who's played by Noah Reed, that someone who wasn't at the last meeting. So now all of us at the audience weren't at the last meeting, and now there's a character on stage who also wasn't there, and where is so-and-so and what happened and where are the minutes? And I'm I'm new here and we're all new there. And I think that's really astonishing because to me, for I'm from a playwright's perspective, I now find comfort. I now can relate to someone on stage who's going through the same exact thing I am. And I'm sitting here and I'm saying, Oh, okay. Oh, you don't know what's going on either. Cool. I don't either. I feel a little better about that. And I think that that's really, really smart because this play, I think. Would have been so different if if we were just, you know, if like we didn't know things, but everyone on that stage did. And it was very smart to put a character there who is not only new to the town, but new to that and didn't know what happened prior and literally didn't know that no one in that room could tell him where that other council member was. So I think that was really, really smart. I thought it was a really smart playwright tactic. 


Jeff [00:05:27] I didn't even think of that. 


Richie [00:05:28] Mm hmm. 


Jeff [00:05:29] Yeah.


Richie [00:05:29] This is where my brain, when I was like, Oh, this is really smart because you're I'm going to hold your hand, Mr. Peel, throughout this whole thing, because I think you're going to take me with you in discovering what's going on in this mystery, because it is like it's kind of kinda like watching, like an Agatha Christie play, like an old fifties murder mystery, because talk about, you know, because there's a lot of what ifs and what do we think of when we think you're right? Because they did leave you with a lot of questions at the end. 


Jeff [00:05:55] It's the ending leaves you with a ton of questions, but also throughout the play you keep asking the question to yourself, Well, first of all, what's going on here? And then second, why won't they just tell him what's happening? What happened. 


Richie [00:06:10] To me, it must have been something pretty bad that happened to Mr. Karp. If not one person could tell him. Some people allowed him to listen to the minutes be read. Yes, that was an actually interesting thing. When I saw some of the characters say yes, I say yes to reading the minutes, I say yes to reading them. And it's maybe because they felt like he is on the council here. He should maybe now he's one of us or will become one of us, you know, and whatever that cult like feeling is that you get throughout the whole thing, it's this like very interesting, like, oh, and I noticed a couple of times too, and they would say, this is a private meeting today. Today is a closed meeting. And sometimes councils and boards have those where the general public is not allowed and obviously they have to have somewhere the general because I thought to myself, like, what this what is this board like when there's a general public there, you know, and they said, Oh, this is a closed session. This is a closed session. Oh, okay. Why? You know. 


Jeff [00:07:08] Yeah, I think, too. I was just thinking of something about. Yeah. Did you need a finish? 


Richie [00:07:15] No, I'm saying I'm jumping around a lot and I know that can be a little confusing, but I think we're just like so like off the edge of the show. So like, I think it's okay. 


Jeff [00:07:23] So you're getting now you're getting the real the raw. 


Richie [00:07:25] Raw because we have not really talked a lot that we do before podcasts anyway. But I feel like this is something we barely have talked about in the last like hours. So now I'm like really on the heels of it. But yes, go to what you were saying. 


Jeff [00:07:36] I feel like what's being implied by what's being told throughout this whole play, it's very similar to how things are done currently in today's society too. And it's how some people teeter on the fence of like, I want to be the good guy, so I'm going to tell I'm going to tell Mr. Peel like Jessie Mueller's character, Miss Johnson. She said, I'm going to tell Mr. Peel that there are the minutes are here and he should hear them. But he needed to figure out in the text that there was in the minutes that were that there was a piece missing. 


Richie [00:08:15] Right.


Jeff [00:08:16] And because of that, it was like she wanted to play the good person for up to a certain point. But at the end of the day, she then had to still side with this group. And I feel like we're going to get more into this. Yeah, you know what I'm saying? 


Richie [00:08:30] Like, yeah, and she is taking the notes. She's like this the person who's running the organizational side of this, she's doesn't really the clerk, right? She doesn't really chime in much on her opinion. So she's so nervous about keeping her job and doing her job, right? Yeah. I mean, there's a lot of things to talk about here. Another thing we can go to, I know I said, where do we go next? Right. Part of me feels like I would like to say that this whole ensemble, which we did see, the whole cast, we didn't have any understudies today. This symbol is working so well together. And I love one of the things I love in theater is watching people who are not speaking. And I'm always astonished, like, who's did you notice way people were eating and drinking water throughout that, like how casual of the environment was that would really be happening at a meeting like that. Who's popping the M&M and who's making noise and distracted, who's like falling asleep? And it's like that energy to me is amazing. And with Tracy Letts at the helm as the mayor, I think that's an astonishing thing to see him and this company together working on computers, who's pouring in the coffee in their water, who's just getting up to stretch? It's that really casual environment like, Oh, I wish I was seeing this in the round. I wish I was right there next to them because I like to have them proscenium. But the proscenium also allows you to get that feeling of like we're in a professional city hall environment and we're in sthis steril room. 


Jeff [00:09:58] Right! It would be nice to see it in the. Brown. But at the same time, if you were the audience to the council meeting, you would be sitting the way we were and they would all be sitting the way that they were. Exactly. So it's that it's that right design. From a directing standpoint, I think it was done so well. 


Richie [00:10:17] It was very well directed. And I also thought it was really and this is a little bit of the writing as well as the direction, but just the fluttering of the lights and the thunder and that ambiance. And just when they came in from outside and they're wet, it was this like, oh, yeah, something, something really wrong is going on outside. It's like no one's noticing. The lights are flickering except him. And it's all. It's raining for two weeks. But why? Like. Like Mr. Peele just constantly wanted to know why is it raining outside? Why is this happening? He had so many questions that they were all. Blasé to and kind of like whatever. But of course that's says that's a hidden meaning because they're so blasé to their town's history, they're so blasé to so many things in their town that the lights flickering in the rain for two weeks straight doesn't even faze them anymore either. Right. Let alone, let alone in in the set design. If you really notice, like some things are falling apart. Not all the lights are on up at the top. I know. Like, it's like looking like your average small town city hall room. It was very, very smart for the design to. 


Jeff [00:11:25] Well right, because alone from there, a big thing in this play was about maintenance and. 


Richie [00:11:30] Yeah.


Jeff [00:11:31] Money and where does money get allocated to? And even in their own their own building where they're having this meeting, you literally see it falling apart. I actually looked up at the ceiling at one point and I was like, oh, there's literally water damage. 


Richie [00:11:43] Yes, I saw that. 


Jeff [00:11:44] Coming up here. I was like and at first I said to myself, was that there the whole time, well. 


Richie [00:11:48] You have to don't forget, there's this analogy of water flooding. And I don't know if that was there the whole time either. If anyone's listening, can you tell us like, is that water damage there? In the beginning it must be like, well, how would that? I only notice it halfway through too. I was like, wait is the rain outside causing this like in the middle of this play? Like, is that actually a thing? I feel like that would have drawn attention to that if it wasn't on purpose, but I didn't notice it for the first half hour or so until. 


Jeff [00:12:15] Well, it's interesting because I feel like you watch that set and it is kind of evolving without us really knowing. Well, because they. 


Richie [00:12:24] Have the Noah's Ark reference and there is there is a religious biblical feel to this whole thing. But then when they mentioned Noah's Ark and only two of us can come and and it's this arc ceiling, right? That gives us this feeling of like, are we both like, I know we're not like there's this other quantic boat, like, feel to this whole piece too, which could be a mix of the playwright and the direction and the designer all working together maybe on that. But yeah, I did. I did get that. 


Jeff [00:12:53] I think there's so much just on the set and the direction alone that we could even we could. 


Richie [00:12:58] Go the whole conversation. I really feel because there's set and the props and everything, which is amazing to me. 


Jeff [00:13:02] Me and I, I would like to put this up there with what we've seen this season as quite high for me on terms of. 


Richie [00:13:10] Oh yeah. 


Jeff [00:13:11] You know, we had skin of our teeth that I was was blown away with this and I was blown away by the direction. But I was also very blown away with this set, even though it was very minimal and it didn't do much. It just had so much character and story to it itself. 


Richie [00:13:24] There's and then when you look back on and you see how it ends, you look and you say, Oh, the hallway has this Happy Harvest sign, and you're like, Is that like a kindergarten look? Like a kindergarten classroom bulletin board? Like maybe the kids do grade in in the town hall. I'm like, wait, this play is set in November. Thanksgiving is in November. Pilgrims, Native Americans, what is the story that we're told? Happoy harvest, oh the pilgrims in the Native Americans sat down together and ate. And we as children learn the story of Thanksgiving. A happy, happy and like and and what we learn at the end makes us realize we it's actually set at the American holiday of Thanksgiving or in the month of that with that beautiful pumpkin sitting in the back. Right, right. Ready for harvest. Right. So that's why I'm like, oh, that if you start the play, you don't realize that at the annual like look at all these details in the set and what's going on. This is what I find in a play. You know? 


Jeff [00:14:20] Yeah. I feel like we need to dove into this plot. 


Richie [00:14:22] Yeah, we do need to dove into the plot. I want to say one more thing about the set and we're going to stop talking about the set. I also was really impressed with this big mural behind the mayor and the two men next to the mayor. Here's these like three stoic women in this painting sitting in their robes, in their thrones, and below them are, for lack of a better word, I guess, weak men. You know, the mayor, in a way, is kind of weak. The guy to his left, our right, was like this horrible person. And then the guy to his right, our left was this like guy involved in some maybe money, embezzlement of his family in the town. So like the three of them weren't the greatest. And yet the air they are above them are these like strong superior women in this painting behind them. But below are these like weak, shallow men. I thought that was really interesting choice of position.  


Jeff [00:15:12] There are people that need power. It's their power play in society. They're that they're sitting there and you know. But I do. Yes, right. I do want to move to the plot of. Yes, for sure. I think this is going to even include some of the set and some of the direction there. But this plot really for me personally comes from the stories that we're told, obviously. So this these town, the people that have lived in this town for quite some time now have been told the story for over and over and over again, the same way that we all hear stories over and over, and over and over again. And even some of the things that you were saying before about taking like Halloween, it's a story told to us over and over and over again that it's evolved into something that we know as Halloween today. But how did Halloween truly begin? Right. And how did the Town of Big Cherry truly begin? 


Richie [00:16:07] And when you hear an extremely racist, horrible finding of the name of this town, and when they say that that woman, you know, in the letter had to live her whole life in the town, that that was astonishing to me. That was on top of the fact that there was a couple of lines where where did you learn to play that when he asked when Mr. Karp is in the flashback. Right. And they say, where did you learn about this town? And what are the elders say? They say Church or school? I don't know. They're kind of the same to me. I'm like, wait, wait. This is symbolism for separation of church and state, because there's this like you didn't remember where you learn, oh, church or school. They were kind of the same for me. How many times do we think back to our childhood and say, I think I learned something like Got in church, something's got work for you maybe? 


Jeff [00:16:52] Or something like the story of Noah's Ark. It's the story about them and right. It's the story of these things. 


Richie [00:16:57] Were American founding stories, too, of our nation, whether that's religious or not, right? 


Jeff [00:17:01] Well, I'm just saying, for us, when you're a child, I think we as children who go to Catholic school really believe Adam and Eve is a real thing. I mean, I'm not saying I mean, I'm sure there's people out there today that still think that that really happened and that we all just came from the flesh of one man. Okay. So but this the story is told that way, and it's supposed to represent other things and also Noah's Ark. All right. There's probably people out there that truly believed the Noah's Ark story for every little detail is true. 


Richie [00:17:33] And. Yeah, right. And I think that there's also this astonishing thing of like the stories you hear what you are until now. And then it does become a lot about the children. And I feel like there is so many moments where even Jesse Mueller's character was like, But I have a child like, I need this job, like I play or like we have children. The children must know about this amazing, wonderful festival that we have in this town and give the bikes to the children. That would be the way to kind of get rid of those bikes. And I'm like, wait, you're all missing the whole point here because it's all about and then when when, when Mr. Peele really gets in the mayor's face. And at the very end, the mayor has that monologue and it's like and and and don't forget the people who worked so hard before you. And then and the whole point is like, we're not forgetting about that. The whole point is that we're trying to remember the true truth of what came before us. And yet irony sets in when it's like, Well, we need you to set a good example for our next generation, but you have to do that through truth. And that's what the point is here is what is the truth? 


Jeff [00:18:39] But this is something that's still happening today. Yes. So that's why this story is so. Yes. As a play righ now, because if you take something like Thanksgiving, the way we're taught, the story of Thanksgiving is that we yes, we sat down out on a table all together with native's. Native Americans and the Pilgrims had an amazing moment. But guess what? Probably next to the table. They were murdering all of them. 


Richie [00:19:01] Yeah.


Jeff [00:19:01] Mm hmm. 


Richie [00:19:02] I love you. I love that you had a little bit of a slap there because you set the table as if there was one table. Like. Like that's what we're told, where it's like we were taught and there's like, really, like, in this field outside of a little hut, there was like there was one table and and all the Native Americans sat on one end of the table and all the pilgrims dressed nice and sat. wIth one table 


Jeff [00:19:29] We brought and they brought corn to the table and. 


Richie [00:19:32] We brought a turkey. 


Jeff [00:19:35] So, you know, you really hate laughing, but like, that's literally what's being brought up here. But it goes a step further because like even learning about the name Big Cherry and in this play is something like...


Richie [00:19:48] But we're dealing with. 


Jeff [00:19:48] That with but that's like a baseball baseball team. 


Richie [00:19:52] Right now. People saying don't want to raise our heritage. No, no, no. That's not you're missing the point. Right. And then we have to go back to this play is called The Minutes in a Meeting. The minutes are the truth. Well, it's supposed to be and the clerk is supposed to be. The whole point of minutes is for the people who are absent or for people who said to me, talk about this. We look at the minutes we have to adopt and approve the minutes. It's the minutes are, by the way, also like in school districts, public knowledge. So you can go to any school district you pay taxes in or anywhere and look up what was talked about if you. So the minutes and the fact that's where mystery comes up. Wait, where are the minutes? Well, there. Have you ever had late minutes before. Where are they like that is that was number one for Mr. Peele.


Jeff [00:20:40] It's right. But the minutes were missing because the minutes were edited the same way. The stories that are told to our editor in the game of telephone from when it actually what's the actual truth. Where it is now. What's the actual truth from 1929 to 2022? You know, I mean, stories change over and over again. Religion changes over and over again. History changes over and over again, by the way, of about by who is telling. 


Richie [00:21:10] And I find it amazing that you have I mean, there's there's elders here on this council. There's one African-American man there. There's different representation, but also not clearly like not enough diverse representation in this town, too. And like so many of the majority of the people on this board are straight white men. And so that's also a commentary on like maybe how are the makeups of the majority of boards and councils in a lot of small towns? Is it that the occasional woman here and there, one person of color and the rest all what I mean. But also it's trying to say something to? 


Jeff [00:21:46] Yes. But what do those people normally have when they sit on a board? They have an agenda. Yeah. So every single person up there had an agenda for their own needs. 


Richie [00:21:56] You got handicapped access to the fountain. That was a whole moment. Right. 


Jeff [00:22:01] You had some older representation up there that they didn't want to see their town change because of how they knew how it was. You have people that are associated with police departments and that whole agenda like we're going to be able to bury things here or we're going to be smuggling money out of this town. And, you know, then you have the rich guy who wants to just own all of his money and play golf on the weekends. Yeah. So it's like, yeah. And then it a little guy and then you have the new guy that's young and hungry come to this council meeting and start sitting on the board and on the town council and and want real change. And then there's such a hidden, hidden message that we're going to get to right now about the youth of today and the younger generations of today, wanting to really bring real change and real history to the forefront. And I guess my question to you is...


Richie [00:23:02] The town also wasn't a young, hungry, new person. He was someone who was there a while and kind of said, we have to stop this. So that was interesting to see, too, that it wasn't like the young guy who discovered that it was actually someone who. 


Jeff [00:23:16] Right. But the point is make the point that I guess the question I'm getting to you here with is, yes, Mr. Karp brings all of this evidence to the to the public. Well, not to the public, but to the meeting. And they all now have heard it. And they can all now choose what they want to do with that information. Right. It'll bring it to the public or keep it buried. 


Richie [00:23:41] It's a little George Orwell, 1984 meets Margaret Atwood, Handmaid's Tale. It's a little bit of that. There are these stories of these councils that just make decisions. And I know because we're getting closer and in time, I do want to just get to this ending because. 


Jeff [00:23:55] I want to ask you this. 


Richie [00:23:56] But yes, yes, the question goes. 


Jeff [00:23:58] The question here is with Mr. Peele, which is the Noah Reeds character. He has this opportunity now and he knows that he wants to do better in this world. But why do you think he can't? or why do you think he can? 


Richie [00:24:15] Well, I think it comes down to he's just too new. And I think that he is not embedded in the. Handshake deals and you one hand wash the other and the seedier stuff that might be going on behind. He's not in on all of that like all of them else clearly were. The others were. So that's probably why he was new and harder and wasn't going to get the minutes right away. Wasn't going to get his agenda put right away. 


Jeff [00:24:43] But I'm talking about the ending portion. 


Richie [00:24:46] Yeah, well, the well, that's what I wanted to ask was too, because I feel like what I heard from some people, oh, the ending or the ending. The ending. Then to me it meant I started to become uncomfortable because I was like, This is very odd to me. And it was getting very chant ritualistic like borderline satanic cult like. And I was like, Oh, this is getting really odd. And I'm like, Are they mimicking a culture or are they are they just being their own representation of like this, like an angst of of sort of barbaric ness? And it was getting was so. Okay, now we need to suspend disbelief a little bit. And then when he comes back, it's like he went outside and he came back and they said, Oh, we knew you'd come back. He, like, got sucked into the cult. Something brought him. And then the blood smearing was such a there's this very like. 


Jeff [00:25:40] I have a. 


Richie [00:25:41] Bizarre thing. I was like, Oh my God, it didn't bother me. The ending though. I was like, this, you're all acting crazy in this whole show, but in like a polite G-rated way. And this is just exposing. 


Jeff [00:25:54] I do have it. 


Richie [00:25:55] In a way. What? 


Jeff [00:25:57] Yeah, I do have a theory on this. So for me, I feel like there's so much representation in this that it's like. They're chanting and acting a little odd. 


Richie [00:26:10] Yeah, it was odd. 


Jeff [00:26:11] It was a little odd watching. It's definitely I would call it cringe theater because it when you're sitting in there, you're like cringing that this is even happening and you can tell that the audience around you is uncomfortable, which is fine, because I like being uncomfortable in theater settings. I think it's the best kind of theater. 


Richie [00:26:27] Yeah.


Jeff [00:26:28] And you're watching them and yes, it's kind of colt looking, but that they're trying to emulate being a Native American in some sort of a way, that they're being blessed by something to do this, but that they take the blood. And I think the blood represents that they're going to keep the blood on them. They're going to keep these stories hidden, even though they know the truth. And they have to walk around with that blood on them. But not only that, I think there's a reason why he comes back. Okay? And I personally think that. 


Richie [00:27:01] I didn't like that he did because I really wanted him to break free. 


Jeff [00:27:04] And I know, but I feel like that's to serve. I think that he had to leave that room to show them that he didn't want to be part of it, but that he had to come back because he knew he had to be part of it. Because the only way that he's ever going to be able. 


Richie [00:27:20] To make change. 


Jeff [00:27:21] Is he has to join them and then beat them from within. 


Richie [00:27:24] If it's one of those, if you can't beat them, join them situation. It's kind of sad. 


Jeff [00:27:29] But that's but he knows now that he has information that he probably needs to eventually get to the public but he's not going to be able to do it from the outside. 


Richie [00:27:38] and that was like a horror movie ask to me at the end it was so twilight zone ending. Yeah. And also you say earlier always so cringing was uncomfortable too. You know what else was cringing and uncomfortable about a half an hour prior was when they like all instantly made the play. Like they were like, we're just going to tell the play in the middle of the room. And I was like, How did he do it? This is weird. And I think that is foreshadowing, but. 


Jeff [00:28:02] I think they were. 


Richie [00:28:03] So obsessed. They are with that town story that later we see the more deep, dark, crazy side of it. But when they instantly get up out of their chairs, you're almost like, Whoa, did I miss something? And so that's foreshadowing to me of what they do that at the end, it just it. 


Jeff [00:28:18] Was definitely foreshadowing. But like, do you think they really did that. 


Richie [00:28:22] Did oh at the end. 


Jeff [00:28:23] Well, I think no, no, no. I'm saying do you think they really put the play on or was that just. 


Richie [00:28:27] No, they say in the play. They say in the play, we all did this in school growing up. We put this play on. So they all knew how to do it. Who plays the farmer? Who plays the this? They just got up to reenact it for the new guy, and I thought that was so funny. But also like this is so weird that we reenact like when you think about like the nativity scene I Christmas I think we all the things that we did as kids and you like that to. 


Jeff [00:28:49] Me because I think they were actually doing it. Oh, okay. That's what I'm saying. I oh, yeah. I think the Twilight Zone part of it is that we think that their showing it. Sure. And it's like it's being reenacted. Like if this was a TV show, they would easily ever like change slides to like. 


Richie [00:29:06] Maybe there could have been some maybe this would have been too like much split spelling it out for the audience. It could have been like a lighting change or something that made us think we were in an unknown alternate world. 


Jeff [00:29:15] They kind of did like change it. The lighting did change. Yeah, I. 


Richie [00:29:18] Almost think maybe they could have done that. And that's that's silly Parks and rec side of it. I think that could have been funny. But I want to ask you one more really, really quick question before we go, because I have a question for you. A playwright putting themselves in their own show and being on that stage with them eight times a week doing it. 


Jeff [00:29:38] I feel like it's going to us. I'm perfectly fine with it. 


Richie [00:29:40] I actually think it works really great. And how amazing is it that you can be an actor in this company, say, oh, he wrote. He wrote every line. I'm saying there's a little bit of I better say it right every night, you know. But then there's also a little bit of like, he's our leader behind the pen. And so he's also our leader on the stage, too, and he plays the leader of this council. 


Jeff [00:29:58] I think if you're going to put yourself in your own show, you know you can do the part. 


Richie [00:30:03] Yeah, yeah. 


Jeff [00:30:05] I don't think it's ego or. 


Richie [00:30:06] No, I don't. 


Jeff [00:30:07] I mean, I think there are some people out there that do put them in their own shows and stuff that might be a little ego, but I think with this it was the right play for him to be in. Yeah, because of the role that it is. Like you said, the mayor and also being the playwright. Yeah. Is that. 


Richie [00:30:24] Yeah.


Jeff [00:30:25] He's writing what is being put out to everyone. I think there's such a message in there and I think he is so good at the role. Yeah. That it, it might be hard for someone else to do it perfectly. 


Richie [00:30:36] Right. Right. Especially that that character for sure. Yeah. First words. Oh, my gosh. I literally could do a whole nother 30 minute segment on this because we didn't get that. I am like, Oh, my gosh. Her podcast is called The Half Hour, so we stick to it. 


Jeff [00:30:53] Oh, no. 


Richie [00:30:54] But okay. Last quick wrap up thoughts on this. 


Jeff [00:30:58] I highly suggest everyone go to see this. It's playing to watch on. 


Richie [00:31:01] July 24th, I believe. So you have about a few weeks left in July to go see it. 


Jeff [00:31:05] Go and have your own opinions on this. These are just our opinions. I think anyone going and seeing the show can have theirs. And that's what we want to hear, what you think about all of these hidden messages. This is definitely one of those shows that will do that for you. Like just go and see it, enjoy it and watch a really great piece of theater and watch a really great ensemble out there because they were just so well. 


Richie [00:31:29] I would say yes. Really, really great ensemble work. Tracy Letts is a master of what he does and it's amazing. And I would also like to say how amazing will it be to hopefully see this play done in community theaters and regional theaters and college theater and places where these small towns are, put this play in it and let a community theater with people of those similar ages do it for their hometown, whether it be a conservative town, a liberal town or anything in between. I would love to see that and see how small town sitting in a small town theater, watching a small town production of it with local actors doing it. That would that would be amazing to me. I think that would be really totally awesome. 


Jeff [00:32:10] And don't forget, we have a big shout out that we have to give. 


Richie [00:32:12] Oh, yes. My friend Carolyn, who I went to Michigan with, proud go blue alums. She made she made her Broadway debut as an assistant stage manager on the show. We saw her afterwards for a little bit, and it's just amazing to hear her journey through this. So shout out to you, Carolyn. Congrats on this amazing, amazing thing. She's a good friend and I'm so, so proud of her. So wonderful things. Yeah. Thank you all so much for listening today. We really hope you enjoyed more pop music episodes coming. I believe I'm the next broadway. This was the last Broadway episode of the 2021/2022 theater season. The next show is now coming up are going to be the new Tony season where we're diving into some new theater coming this summer. So here we go. Here we go. We hope you enjoyed round two. There you go. @halfhourpodcast on social media. Two Worlds Entertainment @halfhourpodcast TikTok, Instagram. Follow comments like share. Talk about this. We love talking about this with people. I'm in comments and then go and go see this play if you haven't yet. So way over time. Okay, here we go. Until next time I'm signing off. For now, I'm Richie,. 


Jeff [00:33:16] And I'm Jeff. 


Richie [00:33:17] Saying Ta Ta. 


Jeff [00:33:17] Bye